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🎙 Episode 120: Christopher Herrero – The Art of Band is the Art of War

This week on The Score, Eric and Justin sit down with Christopher Herrero, Director of Bands at the legendary Edna Karr High School in New Orleans.

🔥 A proud Karr alum and the first Latino Tuba Section Leader at Jackson State University, Herrero returned home to lead the very program that shaped him—reviving its legacy, growing student membership, and infusing new purpose into every rehearsal.

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In this powerful and reflective episode of The Score, Eric and Justin sit down with Dr. Derrick Fox (@singingingfox1), Associate Dean of Graduate Studies, Research, and Creative Endeavors and Associate Director of Choral Programs at the Michigan State University College of Music.

Dr. Fox opens up about his journey as a leader, educator, and artist — exploring how self-determination, intentionality, and community have shaped his path. From navigating barriers as a Black musician in predominantly white spaces to empowering the next generation of music ed...

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🎙 Episode 118: Más Que Música – Identity & Accessibility in Music Education

In this week’s episode of The Score, Eric and Justin sit down with Daniel Flores (@trumpetpapi) — musician, content creator, and advocate for culturally rooted music education. Daniel shares his journey growing up in underfunded, majority-Hispanic music programs, and how those early experiences shaped his passion for making music more accessible and meaningful for all students.

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This week on The Score, Eric and Justin dive into one of the toughest balancing acts in music education: creating strong classroom culture and managing discipline—without losing the spark that makes music joyful.

🔥 From setting expectations on Day 1 to navigating those inevitable tough moments, Eric and Justin share real stories, lessons learned, and strategies that keep students accountable and inspired.

💡 Whether you’re a new teacher building your first program or a veteran director rethinking your approach, this episode is packed with practical insights and honest reflections you can take s...

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The Score is kicking off the school year with fresh energy and new perspectives! Eric and Justin are back to talk about what it really takes to start strong—whether you’re leading a high school ensemble, shaping young minds in elementary, or finding your rhythm as a new teacher.

🎯 In this episode, Justin shares his journey transitioning from secondary to elementary music teaching—what’s surprised him, what’s challenged him, and the lessons he’s already learned. Eric brings insights from the field, highlighting trends, strategies, and the mindset shifts music ed...

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After a brief break, The Score is back in full effect! Eric and Justin reunite at the mics to reflect, recharge, and refocus on what matters most: music education, leadership, and building spaces where all students thrive.

🎯 In this episode, we unpack where we’ve been, what’s changed in the world of education, and why this next chapter feels more urgent—and more exciting—than ever.

💬 From burnout to breakthroughs, we’re getting real about the challenges educators face and the responsibility we all carry to keep pushing forward.

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin get to interview Dr. Ruben James Alcala. Dr. Alcala serves as the Vocal and Elementary Music Coordinator for Fort Worth ISD. Listen in as we journey through a decorated career and the genesis story of how music changed his career trajectory. This conversation paints a beautiful picture of Dr. Alcala’s journey that fuels his convictions and has made his quest more impactful for the students he serves. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin dive into a conversation about the longevity of relationships built with students that extend beyond the band hall. We, as music educators, have a great opportunity to invest in our kids for now and for years down the road. Both Eric and Justin recall moments that have afforded them a place to still have the space to continue to pour and mentor. This episode is to inspire and help all of our listeners see the opportunity we have to continue being an oasis of help for...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin dive into a beautiful conversation with a world-class educator who invested in the lives of both Eric and Justin. This episode features the well-decorated Dr. A. Jan Taylor. Dr. Taylor has taught at every level and achieved great success. And was the former Choral Director and music professor at Prairie View A&M University. Since her retirement in 2020, she has still been in heavy demand as a clinician, mentor, and sage of wisdom for upcoming educators in the choral arena. Listen in, as we discussed with...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin dive into a beautiful conversation meeting the needs of every student. Specifically, our deaf students make up our various musical ensembles. To help us fully grasp this nuance, we had the pleasure of engaging with Mr. Adam Chitta. Mr. Chitta is the founder and owner of The Chitta Sound and an accomplished band director at North East ISD in San Antonio. In this dialogue, Adam raises awareness and gives proper tools as a deaf band director to reach out and provide a great experience for those...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin dive into the beauty of a name. Not just any name but specifically the students' names in our programs. There is something to be said about getting a child's name right. Listen in as both Eric and Justin discuss how we can make something so significant seem insignificant. There is confidence, care, and authenticity when we, as educators, aim to get our students' names correct. It's a great reminder that another school year is ramping up. It's a conversation that will help invigorate the director and...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin get the great opportunity to connect with Mr. Sean Rodriguez. Mr. Rodriguez is the choir director at Southwest Legacy High School in San Antonio. Sean has such an interesting story of his journey into music, which continues to shape his purpose as a director. Listen in as both Eric and Justin pull back the layers of how Sean has made sure not to ignore his mariachi love and ability to be absent from his role in developing his choral kids. Sean lays out his convictions on...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin discuss the aftermath of the results. What do you do once the scores have been given and the final festival or adjudication performance has finished? It is such a hectic time of rehearsals, sectionals, and clinics that once the final note has been played, all you really want to do is just get away. So listen in as both hosts talk about what comes next and how there is still growth, development, and knowledge to be gained. It’s a conversation that will help invigorate the di...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin discuss the overworked and ever-tired aspect of music education. Both Eric and Justin walk down memory lane and remember the pivotal moments of their careers that raised a flag towards self-care. Listen in as the discussion of peace and the ways we can meet that need by reimagining the old way of working towards a more redeeming and intentional model.

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin catch up with Professor Ricardo Brown. Ricardo Brown is the Associate Director of Athletic and Wind Bands at the University of Connecticut. He also serves as the Co-Caption Head of the Sacramento Mandarins Drum Corp. This has been a well overdue interview and it doesn’t disappoint. Listen in as Prof Brown delves into seizing opportunity in life and how that mantra created the fuel that has gotten him to every destination. This conversation leans into how seizing the opportunity is a pivotal and foundational aspect of...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin jump back in the saddle with a much-needed conversation about the art of communication. Specifically how it can hinder student progress when not valued. Both Eric and Justin have experiences where their ability to articulate well was met with surprise instead of normalcy. Listen in as both hosts tackle the issue of communication in the classroom. They take a deep dive into how a teacher can either create an environment for confidence and expansion or one that is silent and void. Please check out this week's...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin get the great opportunity to catch up with none other than Dr. Kelvin Jones. Dr. Jones is a world-class musician/educator and a product of The Jackson State University. He is the former director of the famous LSU Tiger band. Dr. Jones has since switched lanes and now resides in the world of real estate development and music consulting. Listen in as Dr. Jones discusses this new chapter of his career. This new hustle is nothing but the very foundation that helped build his decorated music...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin discuss one of the most important relationships in the life of a band program. This relationship is none other than the head director and assistant director. This week's conversation pulls back the layers and exposes the elephant in the room: lack of unity and collaboration. Eric and Justin dive into the roles and what can hinder, and what can help. This dialogue will hopefully start the much-needed conversation and help bridge gaps in the connectivity. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin bring in their brother from another mother, Dr. Andrew Hunter, Director of Bands at the University of Texas El Paso. Dr. Hunter brings his convictions in this conversation about the concept of innovation in a world that can sometimes be caught up in tradition. This dialogue is filled with healthy, thought-provoking concepts to help the students we teach push to a greater destination as music makers. Listen and take notes on how this passionate and helpful episode can help you wherever you are in your journey.<...

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Well, it's finally here, episode 100, a momentous occasion and still slightly unbelievable. In this episode, Eric and Justin look forward by looking backward and reflecting on the work, the journey, and all the possibilities that lay ahead. Listen in as Eric and Justin envision what's next in the life of The Score podcast. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin continue their conversation about Latino music education. Think of this week's episode as a part two of sorts as the light shines on Eric and his Latino experience as a student and music educator. Justin digs into Eric’s experience as an HBCU student and how his love and loyalty to his cultural background was a part of his journey as an educator. This episode gives great dialogue to an experience that helped shape his career and the students who were beneficiaries of a proud and in...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin discuss how you, as a music educator, can celebrate the culture and music of the Latino community in your program. This is a deep dive from the perspective of Justin’s point as a black educator. This vulnerable and honest conversation is his approach. Justin and Eric take an intricate look back towards his effort, authenticity, and intentionality to not check off a list but to make those students be seen and a real part of the music community they are a part of. Please check ou...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin discuss the world of Title I schools. Eric and Justin have cut their teeth as educators in the Title I context, which can easily be typecasted as monolithic. Listen in as both hosts pull back the layers and the multi-faceted aspects that create the world of Title I. Let this episode be your guide toward helpful conversations and understanding what it requires to be intentional and effective in all Title 1 environments. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!!
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Eric and Justin are back to kick off another season of The Score. We could not start this season without letting our listeners know about the new seasons of life we are in and how, even though they look different, the outcome is all the same. We may have left our places of origin, but IMPACT is still the name of the game. Please check out this week's episode and make sure you are locked in as we start another impactful season of The Score. Enjoy and share!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin discuss some major changes that have taken place in their respective lives. Both Eric and Justin are excited about the new life changes and want to share them with our listeners. Don't miss out on these exciting times in the life of The Score Podcast. Tune in and check out this week's episode. Enjoy and share!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin passionately discuss knocking down doors of opportunities to create something new. This discussion is powered by the concept that we all have to do something to contribute to the world of music education. Whether it's a pedagogical approach, student relationship cultivation, or a nuanced way of retaining students in a dying program, this episode is to inspire and convict our listeners to do it, write it, record it, or perform it so that others in this journey can be aided toward success and growth. Tune in...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin had the great honor of talking with educator extraordinaire Jasmine Fripp. Jasmine Fripp is the Director of Choral Activities and General Music at Kipp Nashville Collegiate High School. Mrs. Fripp is an innovator and world-class music educator. Yet, in this episode, she is speaking about something that evades every music educator—the concept of finding balance and why it’s important to the music classroom and students.

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In this week's episode, Eric narrates an article, "My Pretend Music School," from composer and percussionist Ivan Trevino. Ivan, an active educator, currently serves as a Lecturer in Percussion at the University of Texas at Austin. He is also co-director of the Eastman Percussion Festival, a biennial summer festival hosted by the Eastman School of Music. He is an artist and clinician for Innovative Percussion, Black Swamp Percussion, Zildjian Cymbals, Evans Drumheads, Pearl / Adams, Meinl, and Beetle Percussion.

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin get the chance to interview Nicolas Prosini & Ær Queen, two elementary school music teachers from Fairfax County Schools, Virginia. We explore the topic of trans kids in the music classroom and how music educators can create a safe, equitable, inclusive, and welcoming environment for them. Ultimately, we explore how music can be a powerful tool for creating a sense of belonging and community for trans youth and how music educators can play a critical role in making this possible.

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 In this week's episode, Eric and Justin get the chance to interview Aaron Staebell. Mr. Staebell takes us into the world of a introverted music. This birds-eye view conversation will give every listener a great insight into why understanding introverts in the classroom. Listen in as Aaron discusses with Eric and Justin the importance of knowing how to properly teach, care and connect with the introverted students in the music classroom. Tune in and check out this week's episode. Enjoy and share!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin get the chance to interview Mrs. Meaghan O’Connor-Vince. Mrs. O’Connor-Vince teaches Music Technology at Barnstable High School in Hyannis, Massachusetts. Meaghan has a great journey as a prototypical band director that has developed a deep passion and vision of the imminent possibilities for equipping the next generation of music makers.

Listen in as Meaghan helps us see the future of education for the next generation of musicians. Tune in and check out this week's episode. Enjoy and share!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin get the chance to interview Dr. Jack Eaddy. Dr. Eaddy is the Director of Athletic Bands and the Pride of the Mountains Marching Band at Western Carolina University and has a similar mindset to both Eric and Justin. Dr. Eaddy is a stark believer of authentic relationships and that they are the foundation of any level of success for a band program. This week's episode gets into the nuts and bolts of real relationship building that help construct a program of respect , trust and partnership. Tune...

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Article reading of Jesse Cannon II's most recent article in the TMEA Southwestern Musician magazine- The Climb of Your Life. Please consider Jesse for TMEA President-Elect!

Why Jesse Cannon II for the TMEA President-Elect

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin get a chance to interview Mr. Ramon Rivera, Director of Mariachi in The Mt Vernon School District. You don't want to miss this episode as Mr. Rivera passionately lays out the need and power of developing a quality mariachi program. It is a great episode to inspire and give resources to those looking to spark something new in their communities with a vibrant mariachi program. Tune in and check out this week's episode. Enjoy and share!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin bring in the new year by discussing what recent changes have transpired at the start of 2023. The duo also discusses the experience of getting the opportunity to present and be a part of the Midwest Clinic in Chicago.

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin interview elementary music extraordinaire Ani Silva-Berrios. Mrs. Berrios takes us on a journey of exploration and discovery in her classroom as she works to give her students an unforgettable experience. This week's episode gets into the vulnerability that we as educators must have, even in our own wheel house to keep ourselves learning. This episode will help us leave no stone unturned in our approach week to week in our classrooms and programs. Tune in and check out this week's episode. Enjoy and share!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin discuss the relationship between lyrics and music. This relationship is what can cause a disconnect between students and directors. Simply because of a lack of knowledge or willingness to check out the newest sound in music. Eric and Justin discuss the barrier that can be in our band hall and programs with specific ways to tear down this wall and create more lanes of connectivity and community in any program. Tune in and check out this week's episode. Enjoy and share!!!

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On the Beat: A discussion in percussion pedagogy and common practices with Tim Greene Sr.
In this week's episode, Eric and Justin talk with special guest and friend percussion educator extraordinaire Tim Greene Sr. In this episode, you will get a chance to hear an honest conversation on the aspect of change in the world of music education. Hear hard truths and perspectives on where we are and where we could be in our journey as music educators. We hope to affirm and encourage you to be the change you want to...

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Eric and Justin discuss their experiences building a foundational parental support group at various campuses. Each has experienced a wide range of levels of participation, from no parental involvement to a declining one but has been able to create the necessary space to increase participation levels while making parents feel valued and appreciated for their contributions. Take a listen, Eric and Justin provide strategies for music teachers to implement immediately on their campuses.
 
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We received the news that our friend and past guest, Jarritt Sheel, had passed. We met via social media as he was a supporter and fan of our podcast. He booked us for several semesters to do guest lectures for various of his courses at the Berklee School of Music. In return, he would always reach out to us to celebrate our multiple milestones. We were talking about continuing our collaborations and potentially being on SXSW EDU. Our prayers are with his family, friends, and loved ones. He was indeed a beautiful person...

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We received the news that our friend and past guest, Jarritt Sheel, had passed. We met via social media as he was a supporter and fan of our podcast. He booked us for several semesters to do guest lectures for various of his courses at the Berklee School of Music. In return, he would always reach out to us to celebrate our multiple milestones. We were talking about continuing our collaborations and potentially being on SXSW EDU. Our prayers are with his family, friends, and loved ones. He was indeed a beautiful person...

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 In this week's episode, Eric and Justin talk with special guest and friend Dr. Sarah Gulish. Dr. Gulish is a music teacher and the owner of F-Flat Books Publishing. In this episode, you will get a chance to hear an honest conversation on the aspect of change in the world of music education. Hear hard truths and perspectives on where we are and where could be in our journey as music educators. We hope to affirm and encourage you to be the change you wanna see in the ever-evolving world of music education. P...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin talk with our special guest Mr. Ryan Clift, the Director of Bands at Hightower High School in Missouri City, Texas. In this episode, you will get a chance to hear how to grow where you are planted even when the environment isn’t the greatest. We hope to affirm and encourage you not to let tough spaces keep you from fulfilling your journey to becoming the best music educator you can be. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!! Duration: 00:50:18

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin talk with our special guest Mr. Jerell Horton, the Director of Bands at Vestavia Hills High School in Vestavia Hills, Alabama. In this episode, you will get a chance to meet one of the most humbled and interesting educators in Jerell Horton. Mr. Horton will discuss what it means to be authentic and unapologetic about it. We hope to affirm and encourage you to let your superpower be front and center by being your authentic self as you teach and educate young musicians. Please check out...

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Eric and Justin are back to kick off Season 3! What better way to do that than by discussing representation? Listen in to hear why representation is important in every music classroom and band hall. The discussion reveals real-time application of putting action behind these conversations. So don’t wait-check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin talk with our special guest Mr. Timothy Richardson, the newly appointed Director Of Bands at Eisenhower High School in the Aldine Independent School District. In this episode, you will get a chance to meet one of the most humbled and hardworking educators in Timothy Richardson. Mr. Richardson will discuss his journey and what integrity is important even in situations that may not be that comfortable. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin discuss what it means to define success. This episode's conversation deals with how UIL Concert & Sightreading ratings keep us paralyzed and only define success with a number. This conversation is to help refocus and develop a deeper more authentic meaning of success for us as educators and the students we pour into each week. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin talk with our special guest Mrs. Darlene Machacon, an elementary general music teacher and choir director in Orange County, California, a proponent of Social Emotional Learning. This episode's conversation deals with how the term shouldn't be educational jargon but something authentic that requires intentionality and consistency. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired. Enjoy and share!!!

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This week's episode addresses the biggest question music educators deal with throughout their careers. Where should I teach music? A question that can cause us to respond in many different ways. Eric and Justin discuss how they have been intentional about not letting that question push toward complacency—instead of being bold enough to go and lead in places that may not get the first look, they are places of joy and fulfillment. This week's episode will push you to consider your convictions and the purpose of why you do what you do. We...

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 In this week's episode, Eric narrates the most recently published article by Jarritt Ahmed Sheel, Assistant Professor of Music Education- Berklee College of Music, published Fall 2021 in the Massachusetts Music Educator Journal. Jarritt has been a past guest, episode 38, "Hip Hop Music Ed'. We hope you enjoy it!

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In this week's episode, we address the thing that keeps all directors up at night, which is the UIL program. Eric and Justin discuss the good, the bad, and the ugly of picking that coveted UIL program for Concert Sightreading. To program or not to program, that is the question. The wisdom in this episode is focused on the vulnerability of knowing who you are teaching and what they need and not necessarily what you desire. We hope you enjoy this episode and leave with a better focus on programming music for your...

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In this week's episode, we address the art of life teaching. What is that, you ask? It's the method of pouring into our students' lives through our music rehearsal and classroom instruction. We get it. The sacred time of rehearsal and prep is very important. Yet Eric and Justin want to interrupt your scheduled rehearsals and sectionals to teach life principles and deal with the future lives of your student musicians. Remember, music is our common ground that gives way for us to pour into the next generation's lives. Enjoy and share!!!
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In this week's episode, we address the elephant in the room and what has been taking band halls by a storm which is teacher burnout. Are you tired and ready to throw in the towel? Well, listen in as Eric and Justin discuss this ever-growing phenom and how we can better ourselves and care for longevity not only as directors but most importantly as people. Enjoy and share!!!

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In this week's episode, we share a recording of our session at TMEA 2022. Eric had the opportunity to facilitate a conversation amongst three outstanding panelists. Each brought a wealth of knowledge to the table regarding their personal experience as products of public school music education and how they each take on the task to include their Latino/a/x/ students into their music programs.

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Today's episode is a reading of our article published in the September 2020 issue of TMEA- Texas Music Educator's Association Magazine- Southwestern Musician.

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin talk with our special guest Dr. Sixto Montesanos. Dr. Montesinos is an Assistant Professor and Head of Instrumental Studies at Saint Mary’s College of California and wastes no time debunking stereotypes in Mexican-themed music. This week's conversation leads deeper into getting to the nuisance that makes music so innovative and how we must be mindful of overlooking it. Please check out this week's episode to be encouraged and inspired to knock down doors and never settle. Enjoy and share!!!

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Welcome back everyone it’s been a while since  we have given content but we are back and better than ever. In this week's episode, Eric and Justin talk about this past season and what’s been happening in our lives as we enter this new year. There are quite few big updates that you don’t want to miss. We will also be discussing some places where you can catch us live as well!! Please check out this week's episode and be encouraged as  we prepare for a new season of episodes and insp...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin talk about some tips that will make this upcoming year manageable and effective. These tips may not necessarily revolve around a score or drill chart but they will help with efficiency, community, culture, and overall program vision. Eric will deep dive and unpack some simple but very major items that will cause change and growth in your respective classrooms. Please check out this week's episode and be encouraged as we prepare for a new season of teaching and inspiring!!! Enjoy and share!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin talk about the major role we as music educators take in our students' journey in music. They both unpack what it truly means to be in the work of cultivating the next generation of educators in the field of music. Eric will also drop a major life change that has been fueled by the desire to help create the environment and culture that will foster our students to be the next generation of educators. Please check out this week's episode and be encouraged as we prepare...

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 In this week's episode, Eric and Justin had the great pleasure of talking to Mr. Jose Longoria the Mariachi Director at Patrick Henry Middle School, Sam Houston H.S, and the University of Houston. Mr. Longoria wastes no time getting to his humble beginnings and how he has created a culture of mariachi music education. A culture that has been supported by the administration and the community which further helps to fuel his passion gives kids a quality musical education and environment to help build them as people. Please check out this week's e...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin had the great pleasure of talking to Dr. Brandon Houghtalen Associate Director of Bands at Abilene Christian University.  Dr. Houghtalen gets right to it by discusses the list. The list that hasn’t been further developed to properly show the wide world of musical possibilities. We delve into what it means to add, diversify and augment to further expand the students we get to teach.  Tune in to this week's episode and enjoy!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin had the great pleasure of talking to Mr. Mallik Newman the director of Bands and Orchestra at the historic Booker T Washington High School. Mr Newman shines the light on what it takes to build and create even though it may be unorthodox. Mr. Newman also lays out the format for building a environment that foster student care by putting first the things that can get glossed over. Tune in to this weeks episode and enjoy the episode.

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin deal with what’s coming up for a lot of music educators. The infamous job search and interview process. Both hosts give their unique backstories of how their respective first hires went and what they did to prepare for those jobs. The information in this episode is great for music educators just graduating or seasoned vets that are looking to transition into another position. Tune in and enjoy the information being given to help you pursue that job opportunity of a lifetime !!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin had the great pleasure of talking to Mr. Phil O’Neal, the choral director at Woodcreek Middle School in Humble ISD and Leader of Contemporary Worship at the Atascocita United Methodist Church. Mr. O’Neal wastes no time in this week's episode discussing his life’s journey as a musician and how it has impacted his career. The unorthodox journey is what has helped create an experience and a choral program that is unlike any other.  The information and clear detail will be helpful to all music e...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin had the great pleasure of talking to Mr. Delton Brown, the Director of Bands at Desoto High School. Delton waste no time getting to the very title of this episode. He keeps it real from his beginnings as a band student and the experiences that helped shaped his future. We delve into how all those things help him create a real experience in his class for his students. 

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin bring back a familiar voice and close friend on this weeks episode. Mr. Bolaji Isiba, who serves as the Director Bands at Lake Olympia Middle School in Fort Bend ISD, stops by to discuss and layout the foundation of what it means to be human for your students. Authenticity, vulnerability, transparency are usually words associated with what we do as music educators, which is where our guest picks up the pen. We dive deep into connecting with our community of young musicians in ways that may...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin have the pleasure of talking with Alice Tsui, the Founding Music Educator at PS 532 New Bridges Elementary in Brooklyn, NY, and DMA Candidate (ABD) in Music Education at Boston University. This episode was full of quality information on how to be a teacher that builds an environment that is connecting and inviting. Especially in a time where that’s not the norm, Alice gives great detail of what to do in creating an anti-racist environment for the benefit of students and teachers. Tune in and enjoy !!!! Duration: 00:58:46

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin talk about the gates and walls put up to keep and push our students away from the great opportunity of music ed. Eric and Justin review a post/clinic from this past TMEA convention and what it sparked in the minds of music educators across all streams. What does it really mean to knock down doors and liberate students with including and excluding for different exterior circumstances? Please listen in and glean what could be helpful to where you are and what could be hindering you...

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin have the great pleasure of interviewing Duncanville High School Director of Choral Activities/Secondary Choral Coordinator Jesse Cannon II. Jesse waste no time in this episode dealing with the rhyme and reason why we do what we do. More importantly, letting that truly be the foundation for our existence in our music programs. Tune in and Enjoy !!!!!

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In this week's episode, Eric and Justin have the great pleasure of interviewing Duncanville Fine Arts Director William Young.  Mr. Young details his career and what allowed him to compete at a high level without losing sight of what it all means. William discusses how he took to never make excuses but to change the narrative and stay true to who he is at the same time. Tune in and enjoy!!! Don't miss the great advice as well.

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Are you drained? Are you completely uninspired? Well, good news, you’re not alone. In this week's episode, Eric and Justin discuss what and how to keep pushing throughout. Tune in and check out this pick me up!!!!

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In the first episode of the new year, Eric and Justin interview music educator extraordinaire Steve Giddings. We discuss new realities and possibilities available in the classroom in this age of music ed. Steve rocks the norm of what he does for his kids and how it can be the norm and not just an anomaly. Tune in and enjoy !!!

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In this episode Eric and Justin interview music educator extraordinaire Courtney Powers. We discuss music citizenship's specifics and how to navigate spaces that may be guarded or closed off to the new innovative aspects of our art. Courtney also speaks to being a female band director/educator and what that means and how that impacts her classroom and how she teaches her students. Tune in and enjoy, and don’t miss something that has never happened on the score!!!

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In this episode, Eric and Justin catch up with percussion extraordinaire and professor Dr. Lawhorn. Listen as Dr. Lawhorn speaks about his journey and vision, and goal as a music educator and a black percussionist.  We dig in on the heart of what it means to thrive and push in places that seem foreign and how the very representation of who we are brings about clarity and exposure for students who may not know it’s possible. You don’t want to miss the pillars of truth and nuggets of wisdom that Dr. Lawho...

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In this episode, Eric and Justin take a walk down memory lane and discuss some early moments and words that directly shaped their careers. We take a hard look at things that could break and paralyze any educator but how we instead turned those moments into fuel to help propel us forward. Tune in and enjoy!!!

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Bobby Brown "Don't Be Cruel"- Justin

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In this episode, Eric and Justin discuss the importance and specifics of early childhood and elementary music. Our guest Mrs. Joellen Sumner gives us great insight into why engaging, singing, and exposing music of all forms and genres is pivotal in a child’s life. We dispel rumors and layout facts and give real-life applications on how to make this living and breathing in your classrooms and in your homes with your little ones! Tune in

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In this episode Eric and Justin discuss something very near and dear his heritage and how we as educators must be concerned with going the extra mile. Understanding culture is more than meets the eye. Listen as Eric lays out what it looks like to be intentional and how going deeper provides a greater experience for bothering teacher and student.

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In this episode we have a specialty guest by the name of Daisy Zambrano a musician who prides herself on combining both worlds of her musicianship. Eric and Justin discuss Daisy’s introduction to music through her family and how she melds hers marachi, accordion skillset with her violin classical training. Ms.Zambrano is the future of music and a true testament of what it means to face your fears and being unapologetically herself. Tune in and enjoy!!!

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In this episode, Eric and Justin tackle the elephant in the room for the world of education which is going back to the classroom for in person teaching. How is it suppose to look better yet is it even safe? On this episode we look to be transparent about our feelings and how it effects us as music educators, husbands and fathers in lieu of an ongoing pandemic. The times we are in are stressful and not easy to navigate week in and week out and as we look at what’s to co...

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In this episode, Eric and Justin get to sit with special guest Coty Raven Morris and discuss how the virtual classroom may be the new normal, but it should be starkly different in approach. We dive deep into the nuances that can make online learning just as toxic as the classroom if we are unwilling to push in a different direction for the betterment of our kids. Tune, and hopefully, you'll get inspired to keep pushing along in an effective and developing way that benefits all!

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In this episode, Eric and Justin get to sit and do some reflection. This last week we celebrated a year in this journey of our podcast life. Join us as we will walk down memory lane and recall the work and organic steps that have us here today. We hope you sense our gratitude and thankfulness to the support and hear the vision to continue creating a voice and space to change the world of music ed for years to come!! Tune in and enjoy!

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In this episode Eric and Justin get to sit down and speak with Jarritt Sheel, Assistant Professor of Music Education at Berklee College of Music. We deal with the aspect of creating real environments of change in music ed and learning how to educate future music educators through hip hop. Our guest Jarritt Sheel, gives great information on how we create the way music ed should be going in this day and age! Tune in and enjoy!

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In this episode Eric and Justin discuss the messages we send daily whether on purpose or not. We deal with the aspect of creating real environments of knowing and learning the children we teach. Eric and Justin dig into exact moments that have hindered and helped the life of their career and enhanced their students lives. Tune in and enjoy!!!!

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In this episode Eric and Justin get to interview Franklin J. Willis, @fwillismusic, elementary music coach from Nashville, TN. He takes us through his journey as a thriving music educator in various educational settings. He also presents how music educators can F.I.N.D. their brilliance in their students and themselves while reflecting on what blinders one may have on.

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In this episode Eric and Justin discuss the joy and life changing experience of teaching in title 1 schools and urban environments. In our profession the dream for most young music ed students is to land that position at the perfect school. You know the school with perfect funding, private lesson program and affluence. But what if we told you that there’s more than meets the eye with our title 1 schools that will forever change and mark your career for the better. Tune in as we discuss the joy and responsibility of taking on...

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In this episode Eric and Justin discuss the current status of the culture and how the racial lines play a major role in the lives of us as people and educators. We warn everyone that this episode is not about how to escape or ignore the deaths Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor and George Floyd. Yet how do we let the racial tension of society help us become more vulnerable and authentic to our kids and that we value how they feel. Great educators are ones who identify with their students in all aspects  t...

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In this episode Eric and Justin discuss the elephant in the room known as What If? What if we never go back, what if marching season doesn’t happen what if I lose my position? Although those questions are scary and polarizing we discuss ways to navigate this possible educational shift. Also how music ed as we know it may need a makeover to continue building and developing students with a love and skill for music.

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In this episode Eric and Justin interview Dr. Daniel Pardo, Assistant Professor of Flute at Prairie View A&M University, about how to navigate this educational shift. Dr. Pardo provides strategies, philosophies and software on how to welcome the change after the pandemic.

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El Dusty "Bruke Wine"- Eric
Drake "Dark Lane Demo Tapes"- Justin
Diego Guerrero "Vamos Lento Porque Vamos Lejos"- Daniel

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In this episode Eric and Justin discuss what work and life balance looks like during a pandemic. How do we “clock out” while we stay home? They talk about how they’re handling the shift and provide a few suggestions to implement.

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Selena- Eric
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In this episode Eric and Justin get a chance to sit and discuss the world in its new norm. This world pandemic is something that we have never seen before let alone the world of music education. So we have some insight, tools and just open transparency of how to feel , what our students feel and how we can best teach and be there as educators. Check it out and stay safe.

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In this episode Eric and Justin get a chance to sit down and interview Kermit Gray the Director of Bands at Roosevelt School and Dallas Area Producer. We get a chance to learn about a great educator who has a desire to build, invest and create experiences for the students he teaches everyday. He also provides great information to directors on how  memorable experience making music.

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Los Recoditos "Un Pedo Con El Viejo"- Eric
Rich Tolbert "Never Be Defeated" - Justin
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In this episode Eric and Justin get a chance to sit down and interview Marcus J. Jauregui the Director of Choirs at Pershing Middle School. We get a chance to learn about a great educator who has a desire to build, invest and create experiences for the students he teaches everyday. He also provides great information to directors on how to truly create music and culture for success and e memorable experience making music.

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Franky Beverly & Maze - Justin
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Eric and Justin are both huge advocates and products of jazz education. During this time of “jazz season”, they discuss they why and how of jazz education. They provide tangible strategies to implement in your music program at various levels.

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Static & Ben El & Pitbull "Further Up"; Black, Brown and Beige Jazz At Lincoln Center Orchestra- Eric
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In this weeks episode Eric and Justin y’all about the infamous Solo and Ensemble. We will be discussing how to make the most of this event for your students and the development of your program. Eric and Justin will also attack defeated mindset that plagued some of the students we teach.

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Gregory Porter "Love Sngs"- Eric
Todd Dulaney "Back to the Book" - Justin

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In this weeks episode Eric and Justin had the great privilege of recording The Score live at TMEA 2020. Eric and a Justin along with an established panel of guest further discussed the importance of identity in music education. The experiences in our individual  lives and how we are intentional with those concepts in our respective fields as college professor, band , choral and elementary music teachers. Tune in and enjoy this episode at the granddaddy of them all TMEA 2020.

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In this weeks episode Eric and Justin discuss a very profound letter from an anonymous listener. We dig in on the experiences of the listener and how his experiences in urbane environments could’ve been different. Also allowing voices from those spaces to be the help and leader to assist music educators in those environments. We will also discuss how the HBCU band world can be used and not undervalued in this quest of musical equality in the shaping of culture his next generation of music educators.

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In this weeks episode Eric and Justin discuss the age old topic of music programming for your band. Is it about ego or development of student and talk candidly about their experience of putting music together that would enhance their program. We will discuss the high and the lows of the process and ultimately what made it positive for their students experiences!!

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In this weeks episode Eric and Justin tackle the subject of student teaching. They share the aspects of what makes student teaching a good experience and a bad experience. Both Eric and Justin share their experiences on both sides of the spectrum as well providing suggestions to have a great experience while in the process of developing as a music educator.

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Brandon Hopkins, Associate Director of Bands of the Prairie View A&M University Marching Storm, sits down with Eric and Justin to share why music educators should not count out the students with discipline issues. He shares his personal story while providing suggestions to current and future music educators.

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Earth, Wind and Fire "Live Concert Japan '94"- Eric
Zapp and Roger- Justin
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony "E. 1999" & Kanye West "Graduation"- Brandon

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