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Tye Tribbett is a Grammy Award-winning gospel artist who infuses his songs with scripture, teaching listeners about God as he sings. In 1996 he created “Greater Anointing,” a choir of his family and friends, and ever since, he’s been writing Jesus-focused music to start conversations, not condemn. 

Tye talks with the Perrys about humility, ambition, and what it means to stay kingdom-focused in an industry obsessed with viral success. They unpack the challenges of today’s gospel music scene – from sensationalism to the pressure to perform – and the importance of slowing down for ministry moments and walking closely with...

Even thinking about engaging in a conversation with kids about sexuality can feel scary, but Laurie and Matt Krieg have a heart to help parents approach the topic without fear.

The Kriegs join Jackie and Preston to discuss moving beyond the shame-filled messages of purity culture – what was a “theology of no” – instead to a theology of goodness and flourishing. They talk about being your child’s “anchoring bias” – the first voice a child hears on these topics – and why it’s so important to respond like Jesus when your child is exposed to something online or confesses. 

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Dallas and Amanda Jenkins, creators of The Chosen, join the Perrys to talk about how God used one movie’s box-office failure to bring about the now globally popular television series about the life of Jesus. 

The Jenkins talk about bringing their “five loaves and two fish” to God, letting Him handle the multiplication, and creating from a place of dependence rather than success. They discuss what it looks like to lead with authenticity, use “sanctified imagination” while staying true to Scripture, and keep their focus on honoring the character of Jesus. The conversation also covers how they handle...

Every one of us will, at some point in our lives, come to realize that our faith alone can’t produce everything we want, when we want it. It’s hard to trust the Lord when we’re praying prayers that haven’t been answered.

Jennifer Lucy Tyler joins the Perrys to talk about what she’s learned about God’s sovereignty through her journey of infertility. She shares about experiencing the joy of the Lord – even when He’s not given you the thing you desperately want – and why through our lament, we can still have hope tha...

Social media has been a contentious place after the murder of Charlie Kirk, and the public mourning of his death has felt confusing and concerning for many people. How should we as Christ followers respond in such a polarizing time? 

In this honest conversation, Jackie and Preston sit down with Justin Giboney, cofounder and president of the AND Campaign, to process through what happens in our hearts – and in the church – when tragedy plays out in the public square. 

Why do we turn to social media to have our feelings validated? Are we experiencing a true g...

What do you think of when you hear the word ‘church’? There’s confusion and a lack of clarity about what it means to be a church, but today’s guest wants to re-present the fundamentals so that we’re more responsible with our witness.

Dr. Eric Mason is full of wisdom and he’s got a new book out September 30 called Rebranding the Church: Restoring the Image of God's People in the World. Dr. Mason says we’ve over-corrected in a lot of ways as Christians, going from “holier than thou” to “holiness don’t mean nothing.” We are...

Chelsie Baham is not just the winner of Season 26 of Big Brother – she also loves Jesus and was in full-time ministry up until she joined the game last summer.

In “Big Brother,” sixteen strangers are locked in a house for 90 days with cameras and microphones running 24/7 as they compete for a gigantic sum of money. Jackie has watched “Big Brother” since Season 2, and she loves it because of the psychology involved, understanding people’s thoughts and motives as she watches the competition.

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Here’s part 2 of the Perrys’ conversation with Megan Ashley and Ebenezer Endiryas about dating in your 30s.

Jackie, Preston, Megan and Ebenezer left you on a cliffhanger. “Should we be more focused on dating people that we’re in community with?” The group picks up the conversation there, talking about creating environments where someone you’ve met online can be brought into your community. They talk about how unkind it is to lead someone on, how men’s lack of emotional connection with other men impacts how they experience women, and how beneficial it would be if singles sto...

No one is really talking about what it’s like to be single in your 30s, or after you’re divorced or widowed, but it’s time to have a mature conversation about it. The Perrys are joined by two friends – Ebenezer and Megan – to talk about their separate experiences. 

Ebenezer Endiryas is a single pastor who longs to be married one day, and Megan Ashley is a mom of three who was married for 14 years prior to her divorce. Both call themselves hopeless romantics, though they each now have a healthier understanding of kingdom-minded marriage and the sanctif...

Jackie and Preston are joined on the podcast by Gospel music legend Erica Campbell for a conversation on Christian genres and the role of music in our walks as Christ followers. They discuss how race and different cultural experiences factor into the music played in our churches, and how the social media algorithm influences our perception of Christian music too. Is one genre more theologically sound than another? Why is it important for us to not cut ourselves off from how we could experience God in a genre we’re not used to? And how can songwriters resist division, ke...

Each one of us is worthy of deep and intentional relationships. Just look at the life of Jesus and His close circles of community. God’s design is for us to be with people, but relationships are hard.

The Perrys are joined by Toni Collier to talk about her new book, Don’t Try This Alone: How to Build Deep Community When You Want to Hide from Your Pain. Toni and the Perrys talk about how past hurt and betrayal can cause us to avoid community, but God has always used other people to help us he...

Sometimes coming to Christian faith means that life gets harder and we don’t like that. We will all find ourselves in moments or seasons of discouragement, but we can wrestle through it with reverence. The main way to fight discouragement is by having a knowledge of God’s Word that helps you lean into Christ, and in this week’s episode, the Perrys walk through a number of passages to help us do just that. 

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The Perrys' Q&A episodes are some of your favorites. In this one, the Perrys answer questions from their Instagram followers, covering topics related to evangelism, marriage, parenting, recognition, and forgiveness. How do you know if you are called to evangelize? Is it okay if a husband and wife attend different churches? What if you’re hesitant to have kids and bring them into a broken world? Let’s talk about it.

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1 Peter 3:1-2

Matthew 6:1-2

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After their “Act Like a Man” episode, the Perrys thought it would be beneficial to also have a conversation on womanhood.

When Jackie first became a believer, she felt as though many books she read on womanhood leaned heavily on cultural contexts or norms instead of Biblical frameworks. As she has become more comfortable in her femininity, she’s learned more about what it looks like to show up as a woman in everything God has called her to, whether that be marriage, motherhood, or ministry. Jackie and Preston discuss women’s unique interpretations of scripture...

God’s people are represented in more than just your immediate Christian circle and cultural context. And if we are as Christ followers are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, there’s always something to learn from one another.

The Perrys reflect on their experiences inside different church settings, denominations, and faith expressions throughout their ministry. They’ve learned that God is too big for us to limit Him to our preferences or the church culture we’re a part of. Jackie and Preston discuss how we have to go in with open minds and humble hearts, n...

Christianity is an intellectual faith, and the Lord wants us to use our minds. We see that in passages that say “Think on these things” or “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.” But how do you know if you’ve made an idol out of knowledge?

You might find yourself critiquing and correcting more than you build others up. Knowledge can be an idol when it’s solely for you and not used for the edification of the Body of Christ. In this episode, the Perrys discuss why it’s important that...

You won’t always have uninterrupted affection for the things God has called you to, and that’s normal. So what do you do when you feel like you hate being at home?

Home can be a stressful and overwhelming place, one that is completely “others” oriented. Our spouses and kids depend on us. We have responsibilities that cannot be ignored. The mundane of our day-to-day lives makes us wrestle with both our ambition and our apathy. Ultimately, we often dislike “home” because it reminds us of our need for sanctification. The Perrys discuss what to do when we stru...

We are losing sight of the simplicity of the gospel message, and we’ve got to get back to the basics. In this episode, Jackie and Preston discuss why it is that we don’t focus enough on Jesus’ redemptive work on the cross. Our sin is a big reason. We forget about God’s wrath and why we need to be saved in the first place. We get caught up in a works-based idea of sanctification. The truth of the gospel becomes uninteresting as we seek greater understanding or deeper knowledge. We can also go through the spiritual discipli...

In 1 Corinthians, Paul says, “Act like men, be strong.” But what does manhood look like?

In this episode, Preston explores some of his earliest views of masculinity as a kid and what it meant to “be a man.” The development of our identity is shaped by both parents in unique ways, so the Perrys talk about the dynamics of being nurtured – or not – by a mother and a father. They also discuss the modeling of emotional maturity, the idea of attachment theory, healthy relationships with other men, and opportunities for discipleship.

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It’s been a minute since the Perrys dedicated an episode to the topic of prayer, and they realize they pray differently today than they did back then. Just as sanctification changes who you are, it also changes your prayer life, so what do their prayers look like now?

Jackie and Preston also take a look at several examples of prayer in the Bible. Scripture shows us how we can approach God when we think He is disciplining us or when we doubt He is for us. Prayer grounds us as Christians, reminding us that we can’t le...

The Perrys are back after many months away spent tending to their souls and their family. The time offline was good and at times “profoundly boring,” but as they re-engage with social media, they’ve got some thoughts.

The Perrys discuss what scripture has to say about our character, and how Christians ought to be on social media because of what the Bible says. How we show up on social media matters, and we should honor Christ while we’re there.

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While the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.

If marriage feels difficult, it’s not because you and your spouse are incompatible. It’s because you’re married. On today’s episode, Jackie and Preston are joined by mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien for a conversation about fighting for intimacy. They talk about recognizing dysfunctional rhythms, finding opportunities to connect, not building cases against your spouse, healthy confrontation, and utilizing the greatest tool God has given us to find oneness in marriage: communication.

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While the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.

Confrontation is a necessary function of a healthy relationship and it can create more intimacy. But how do we honor God and one another as we move through conflict? The Perrys have some thoughts from what they’ve learned over the years.

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While the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.Here's an episode from June 2023 with Jackie and Preston's friend Ezekiel Azonwu.

Culture discourages men from being in community, and many men are confused about their call and spiritual giftedness. But guys are crying out for discipleship and voices that are in close proximity to them who will build them up. Let’s talk about it.

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While the podcast is on a break until summer, we're revisiting some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes. In this episode from February 2023, Jackie and Preston sit down and answer questions sent in from their former Patreon community. 

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After a fruitful yet exhausting year, the Perrys talk about the future of the podcast and their public ministry. They discuss whether or not they did too much, what they’ve learned about rhythms of rest, how God has used success and scrutiny to make them more like Jesus, and the gifts and dangers of social media.

While some ministry will still continue at the start of the new year, new episodes of With The Perrys won’t be released until Summer 2025.

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Today’s podcast guest, Sarah Benibo, joins Jackie and Preston to discuss the church’s relationship with lament – or lack thereof – and the reality that we can still worship God through our expression of sorrow and grief. She explains how we are to lament by pointing to N.T. Wright’s quote that says “Lament is an appeal to God based on confidence in His character.” Our lament says “God, you are good, that I know. This circumstance I’m facing is not. Help!”

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Ray Ortlund is back on the podcast to discuss the topics of pornography, human dignity, sexuality, and marriage. As a pastor, Ray has come to realize that porn is the wallpaper of our culture. It’s everywhere. We’re not just looking at it; it’s looking for us. So how are we to respond and fight back with the gospel in mind?

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The “unimpressive” life you live today is really important. Even the mundane matters. God is using it and will bless you and future generations through your faithfulness. These are reminders from Ray and Jani Ortlund, who join the Perrys on the podcast to impart their wisdom from their 53-year journey in marriage and parenting.

Ray founded Immanuel Church in Nashville, where he still serves as the pastor to pastors. He and Jani together steward Renewal Ministries and recently wrote a book together called To the Tenth Generation: God’s Heart for Your Family, Far into the Future.

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Justin Giboney joins the Perrys for a conversation on politics. Justin is the co-founder of the AND Campaign, a Christian civic organization for raising civic literacy among Christians so that we can engage in a better way. He talks with the Perrys about the idea that our public witness doesn’t belong to either political party, and that parties are just tools, not identities.

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It’s been a minute since the Perrys have recorded a Q&A episode, but we’ve got one for you this week. Jackie and Preston start off deep, talking about enduring hard things as Christ followers, including experiencing true spiritual warfare. They discuss topics such as fashion and aesthetics, finding the right church, talking to your kids about other religions, and how to differentiate between kindness and people-pleasing.

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Megan Ashley joins the Perrys to talk about her upbringing, faith journey, and hardships of the past several years. As a mom to a child with autism, Megan believes the church should step in to support families, and she’s advocating for churches to become more conscious of special needs. Jackie, Preston and Megan Ashley also talk about the dichotomy of darkness and beauty in their city of Atlanta, discussing the hope and expectation they have for what comes of this month’s Acts 242 discipleship conference.

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Philip Anthony Mitchell is back for Part Two of his conversation with the Perrys, talking about problems with the American church. We're seeing a drift from Orthodox Christianity and a growing dishonor for Jesus. Rampant idolatry, insensitivity to sin, leaders who are living in open rebellion to God, people clapping in rooms as they're listening to false doctrines. People don't want to be taught... they wanted to be entertained. And because of all of that, people are increasingly Biblically illiterate. 

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Philip Anthony Mitchell feels that he was radically brought into the Kingdom. Born in Queens, NY to Trinidadian parents, Philip found a sense of community and belonging in the streets, despite his mother and father starting a Christian ministry in the basement of their home.

Now the lead pastor of 2819 Church in Atlanta, Philip sits down with the Perrys for a conversation on the urban context and darkness of his childhood, how he was changed by prison, the idea of "calling," and the deep reverence and affection he now has for the Lord. He feels like he’s...

Many of us have experienced hurt within the church or have had seasons of disconnection from a local faith community. Even if we haven’t, we probably see areas where our current church context could be improved. So what does a healthy church look like and how can we be a part of its flourishing?

Pricelis Dominguez talks with the Perrys about her own church experience, discussing things like pastoral red flags, how Scripture ought to be used, discerning church preferences versus priorities, and remaining hopeful in seasons of despair.

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You know the word ‘emotional’ – we’ve all got feelings – and you’ve heard the term ‘idolatry.’ But it’s rare that we hear the two words as a phrase together. Emotions are not wrong – having them is evidence that we’re created in the image of God. But if we’re not careful, emotions can dictate our world and realities instead of God’s truth.

This week’s episode is a segment from the With The Perrys 2024 podcast tour. The NYC audience was polled for a topic they wanted to hear about and “emotional idolatry” was their pick. We’ve...

Young men today want to be poured into, and Priscilla Shirer’s new movie is all about the power of prayer and discipleship in a boy's life. In this episode, Priscilla talks with the Perrys about parenting boys and how God has taught her to surrender her comfort in the “rough and tumble” of them growing up to be men. What did Priscilla’s parents do to instill deep faith and closeness as a family? What has been her biggest burden in ministry? It’s all in this episode.

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Wrestling with God is a normal part of the Christian faith. We can’t grow in our relationship with God without questioning Him. But many of us run from hard questions or feel discouraged and angry when the answers we find are not emotionally satisfying to us. This week’s guest, Lisa Fields, has a conversation with the Perrys about learning how to wrestle well with God instead of leaving the faith.

Check out Lisa’s new book When Faith Disappoints: The Gap Between What We Believe and What We Experience. 

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Have you ever thought you were a better Christian than other Christians? We can all be self-righteous at times, but it’s bad theology. We can’t compare our spiritual maturity to that of other Christ followers, who are also flawed human beings – we must compare ourselves to Christ. In this episode, the Perrys walk us through the theology that moves us to have more gracious, less judgmental spiritual walks.

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How do you steward your influence? This is a valuable question for every Christian. If you’ve been called out of darkness into His marvelous light, that is your platform to display His goodness. You have influence, even if you’re not a public figure, and others are watching. The Perrys discuss what it looks like to steward your time, finances, resources and relationships too.

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Dr. Sarita Lyons has written a book to encourage Black women specifically – based on their unique lived experience – and she sits down with the Perrys to talk about it. She also shares about her faith journey of spiritual confusion. When she went to college, she started to embrace African spiritualism with the Christian faith of her childhood but quickly learned that you can’t mix Jesus with false gods.

Church Girl: A Gospel Vision to Encourage and Challenge Black Christian Women, is available for pre-order now, or grab it wherever you buy books on August 20, 2024.

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We are all uniquely gifted and charged to use our gifts for the glory of God, both inside and outside the home. How can we use our gifts effectively while also helping our partner to flourish? What does it look like for husbands and wives to support each other without ego or insecurity getting in the way? The Perrys discuss how it takes both humility and love for spouses to support each other well. 

Also in this episode, the Perrys talk about Preston’s DISCIPLE hat. It sells out quickly, but keep an eye out here.

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With the podcast tour this month, there will be a short break in recording new content, so let’s revisit some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.

What do you think about sex? It has serious physical, social, emotional, and spiritual implications. It’s the closest physical bond two human beings can have. It can bring forth both life and destruction. We’ve seen sex misused and perverted, but there’s beauty to be explored, and the Perrys discuss that idea in this episode.

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With the podcast tour this month, there will be a short break in recording new content, so let’s revisit some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.

Dating at any age is hard, and dating now looks different than it did “back then” (this is true no matter when your “then” might have been). Though Jackie says she doesn’t feel like she and Preston really dated – their friendship naturally grew toward marriage – the Perrys have some thoughts about the idea of discerning who you will marry.

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Because of the podcast tour, there will be a short break in recording new content, so let’s revisit some of the Perrys’ most popular episodes.

Prayer will always be a struggle because it concerns our dependence. “Do I trust myself today, or do I trust God to meet my needs?” The Perrys still feel this, that prayer might be something we always suck at. Oh, and this episode has a very important debate about washcloth usage in the shower. Enjoy!

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A few months back, Dr. Eric Mason joined Jackie and Preston to talk about church dynamics and denominations, and it got some pushback from members of the SDA (Seventh Day Adventism) community. As a follow-up, Dr. Mason is back to have a conversation with Elce “Thunder” Lauriston, who used to be a conference evangelist and defender of the Adventist faith… until he says “in good consciousness and integrity” he had no choice but to leave. This episode covers the key SDA doctrines that are contradictory to Biblical truth.

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This episode comes with a trigger warning for discussions of suicidal ideation. If you or someone you love is in crisis, dial 988 for help. Other resources to check out include Anthem of Hope and Psychology Today.

Jackie and Preston sit down with Brenna Blain to discuss some hard things. Brenna is a wife, mom, and contemporary theologian who says she “wrestles with the intersection of faith and suffering.” She has a powerful story of the ways Jesus has rescued her, from the time she joined YWAM (Youth With a Mission) as a way to run away from God...

Trauma can show up in all relationships, not just romantic ones. And “friendship trauma” may sound dramatic, but experiences with others can legitimately affect your view of yourself, even the concept of friendship in general. In this episode, the Perrys talk about what it looks like to be a good friend, and how we need to work through past hurt and doubt to engage in future, healthy friendships.

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When a man named Brian Dye started coming to Preston’s poetry events, Preston admits he didn’t trust him. But Brian had a burden to see young believers walk toward sanctification, and he felt called by God to help Preston to cultivate his influence. Brian’s pursuit of Preston and their ongoing discipleship relationship is the topic of today’s episode. Jackie, Preston and Brian discuss the pastoral nature of investing your life into someone else’s life and teaching as you go, and how discipleship doesn’t require creating a new program.

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When it comes to women in ministry who know a thing or two about studying the Bible, Jackie and her two guests, Jasmine L. Holmes and Melissa Kruger, have a ton to offer. On this episode of With The Perrys, they sit down to discuss a new Bible study resource called Ephesians: A Study of Faith and Practice. Jackie, Jasmine, and Melissa talk about the way they went about writing this Bible study together so that we can more clearly understand how we are oriented to God through Christ by the power of the Holy Spirit.

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Can we be honest? This episode almost didn't happen because The Perrys found themselves in a funk when it was time to record. Jackie admits she’s recently felt as though she’s been holding back the hand of depression. Preston reflects on spiritual opposition he’s felt during this busy season with projects and upcoming plans. So, what does it look like to fight back against anger, irritation, or sadness? It looks like leaning into spiritual disciplines – to the degree you have the strength to do them – and finding community with one another, as they model in today’s episode.<...

Ezekiel & Kiyanna Azonwu have been married for 15+ years, and in this episode they talk with the Perrys about things like attraction, discerning who to pursue romantically, maintaining intimacy in marriage, and flourishing in Christian community. Did they get married too young? Is it okay to care about aesthetics? Would better discipleship in the church lead to healthier marriage relationships? Together, the Azonwus and the Perrys tackle these and many more questions about sex, dating and beauty.

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Pride is an illusion wrapped in a lie, and it's in each of us. It’s our desire for total independence from our Creator, and it makes us feel good because we feel secure and capable. But it never satisfies in the way we think it will. In this episode, Preston and Jackie discuss how keeping God as our reference point is the only way to embrace true humility.

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Preston operates in a number of roles: husband, father, evangelist, apologist, poet... and now, he's added "author" to the list. The Perrys discuss the spiritual opposition he experienced writing his first book and why they believe the enemy didn’t want this book to reach the world.
 

How to Tell the Truth isn't a book that teaches you how to evangelize "like Preston." It's a book that robs every believer of the excuses that keep them from sharing the Gospel. Here's the good news: you don't need seminary training to tell the world about Jesus.
 

In celebration of a decade of marriage, Jackie and Preston react to their wedding video and reminisce about everything from Jackie’s dress and “flower distributors” to whether or not Preston cried as she walked down the aisle and the reason they were late for their own reception. After laughing through their recollections of that day, the Perrys talk about the importance of their friendship and the beauty of learning to love one another unconditionally.
 

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Even if we’re in Christ, we can find ourselves being drawn back into former strongholds of sin and fleshly desires. The world may feel fun, but some of our “fun” has Satan attached to it, and we need deliverance. Jackie and Preston discuss the idea that we love perverted versions of pleasure – not the real thing God wants to give us. But there’s hope. If we are in Christ, we’re being sanctified every day as God regenerates us, giving us new desires, new thoughts, and new perspectives.

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The story of the woman at the well is a lesson from Jesus about how to do ministry. Jesus leads with His humanity and His neediness, is curious about the woman’s life, and exposes her sin to reveal her need for God. Jackie and Preston talk through common preconceived ideas about this story and how we – like the woman – can be set out on mission after simple yet impactful encounters with Christ.

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What's destructive, expensive, and detrimental to your soul? Porn. If we had eyes to see how many demons are behind pornography, we would run from it. If we knew how much the devil delights in it, it would not be appealing to us.

By the grace of God, Preston has been freed from pornography for three years, and he shares his experience in this episode. God is a loving God. If you run to Him for help, He’ll sustain you.

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The church in America has mastered the art of gathering people, but discipleship is often lacking. Dr. Eric Mason joins the Perrys for a conversation on cults and other cultural ideologies.

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A well-known pastor and radio host recently came under fire for his public opinion on attending the wedding of a same-sex couple, and it got the Perrys talking. How can you be faithful to Jesus while caring for and honoring people? This conversation starts at the foundation of the issue: knowing what you believe about God and marriage before discerning your ‘yes’ or your ‘no.’

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Before penning books, the Perrys penned poems. In this episode, Preston and Jackie give us a behind-the-scenes look inside a few of their favorite pieces. From Jackie’s testimony poem to Preston’s proposal poem, prepare to be immersed in a world of imagery, word play, alliteration, and so much more.

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My Life as a Stud

Covenant

One Flesh

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The thought of writing a devotional never crossed Jackie's mind, but the Lord changed that. In this episode, the Perrys highlight a few things that compete for our attention and take away from adequate time in God’s Word. Jackie's new devotional, Upon Waking, was created to help us all cultivate a daily habit of seeking the Lord before anything else.
 

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Preston Sprinkle doesn’t shy away from the tension of wrestling with what the Bible says about marriage and sexuality. As his theological curiosity has led him to search the scriptures and dialogue with people in the LGBTQ community, Preston is also committed to embodying the grace and kindness of Jesus. He joins the Perrys on today’s episode to discuss some of his methods in approaching the topic of same-sex marriage. It all starts with asking the fundamental question, “What is marriage?”

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Why is it important we address sin when presenting the gospel? Because people need to know what stands in the way of their relationship with God… but how we communicate really matters. In this episode, Jackie and Preston take a look at 2 Timothy 2, which discusses character traits necessary when addressing sin. We can’t do it in our flesh. It requires dependence on the Holy Spirit. If you missed Part 1 of this gospel conversation, check it out here.

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In our communication of the gospel message, many of us overemphasize the fall, leading the conversation by starting with our sin. We inherited sin, but we were not created to be sinful. It is wiser for us to begin the gospel conversation by communicating the nature of God – “God is good.” Join Jackie and Preston for Part 1 of a conversation on engaging those around us with the gospel, and being anchored in love as we do so.

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If marriage feels difficult, it’s not because you and your spouse are incompatible. It’s because you’re married. On today’s episode, Jackie and Preston are joined by mentors and friends CD and Melody Fabien for a conversation about fighting for intimacy. They talk about recognizing dysfunctional rhythms, finding opportunities to connect, not building cases against your spouse, healthy confrontation, and utilizing the greatest tool God has given us to find oneness in marriage: communication.

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Boldness isn’t making public stances on things all the time, and it’s not just saying everything that pops into your head. In this episode, Jackie and Preston talk about what it truly means to cultivate holistic boldness as a Christ follower today. It’s about obedience to God, death to self, and empowerment by the Holy Spirit. And you don’t have to feel bold to be bold. Let’s talk about it.

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From being long distance to living in the same city and then taking a pivotal trip together to the Caribbean, the Perrys’ dating relationship had a bit of a rocky start. Jackie ended things with Preston not once but twice, she says out of fear of Preston’s loving pursuit of her. It didn’t help that Preston didn’t know how to lead her well. There’s a lot they would have done differently, but in the end, their story is a reflection of Jesus’ Gospel pursuit of each of us.

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A conversation with Preston about his book-writing experience turns into a much bigger dialogue about the creative process. Jackie asks Preston about the obstacles he’s run into moving from poet to author, and Preston explains why he really doesn’t believe in writer’s block. The Perrys talk about battling perfectionism, receiving critiques, and inviting other people into the writing journey.

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Many of us got comfortable not going to church through the pandemic and we’re slowly finding our way back. The Bible tells us we need other Christians and we’re missing something if we don’t gather together to hear God’s Word. But our relationship to church can still be complicated. Jackie and Preston’s conversation today covers topics like worship style preferences, doctrinally sound preaching and discipleship, the pressure that local pastors face because of social media, and the topic of church hurt.  

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A few years back, the Perrys started a series on the podcast called “Teach the Text,” and that’s the format of today’s new episode. Jackie teaches through Genesis 16 – the story of Hagar, Abram, and Sarai – reflecting on the unique questions that only a woman might think to ask of this text. Jackie and Preston discuss impatience, idolatry, and misplaced hope, at the end pointing us to the God who sees us in our suffering.

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Jackie and Preston revisit a conversation had during the very first season of the podcast five years ago – how to argue well. Confrontation is a necessary function of a healthy relationship and it can create more intimacy. But how do we honor God and one another as we move through conflict? The Perrys have some thoughts from what they’ve learned over the years.

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Why does it matter that we fully understand the deity of Jesus? Because if we don’t, we run the risk of worshiping the wrong God. Preston and Jackie walk through the apologetics of this important element of the Christian faith, examining scripture people often point to when questioning if Jesus is God. 

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Any time we attempt to be faithful to the gospel and build anything of eternal value, there will be opposition. Listen in as Preston and Jackie share their experience with temptation, fear, and victory in gospel ministry.

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We're kicking off Season Six with our brother, Ezekiel Azonwu. Listen in as Ezekiel and Preston give us a sneak peek of what to expect on their upcoming We Need To Talk Tour. Culture discourages men from being in community, and many men are confused about their call and spiritual giftedness. But guys are crying out for discipleship and voices in close proximity to them that will build them up. Let’s talk about it.

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Our Patreon community had questions. We’ve got answers. In this season 5 finale, you get to listen in as we unpack them one by one. 

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This one's about Kanye and how Christians can counter culture to help wake up Mr. West.

Previous Episode Reference: The Inhumanity of Celebrity (Season 5: Episode 3)

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Ever been intimidated by or skeptical about homeownership and/or real estate investing? Our friend Erika B. is the woman you need to know. We invited her to join us for a discussion about building generational wealth absent of greed, wisdom for first time homebuyers, and the two most common things people lack that block them from unpacking the fullness of homeownership and real estate investing.

Learn more about Erika by following her on Instagram at www.instagram.com/erikabrowninvestor/

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Politics. It’s how people become dehumanized in the sight of the “free” and the hearts of the “brave.” In this episode, we chat with our friend, Justin Giboney of The And Campaign, about identity idolatry in politics, the Gospel-focused roles Christians should play in politics, and three components necessary to truly love our neighbors, regardless of their political affiliation. 

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Friends. How many of us have them? Better question: how many of us have the kind of friendships that can weather the storms of life and survive? Jackie shares the one thing that trumps everything in her deep, intimate friendships and Preston shares wisdom on cultivating healthy friendships after ending toxic ones.

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Our friendship with Caresse has been . . . complicated. She joins us for this episode as we chat about her deconstruction journey, her exploration of queer theology, and how she experienced the transformative power and love of Jesus while on the brink of suicide.

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Whether you believe in it or not, every believer engages in spiritual warfare. Temptation is the enemy’s way of joining forces with sin in an attempt to destroy us. In this episode, we discuss our personal experiences with temptation post-salvation, encounters with God that changed our perspectives on spiritual warfare, and the role of faith in the battle against temptation. 

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Ask any healthy couple and they’ll tell you that communication is key for a strong relationship. The same goes for your relationship with God, which is why prayer is essential. In this episode, we’re chatting about the enemy of prayer, why prayer feels inconvenient, and how we can suck less at it.

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At the root of anxiety is one tiny word that has the power to suck joy and contentment out of saints and aints alike—fear. Specifically, fear of what we cannot control. We examine why Adam and Eve lacked anxiety in the Garden and what we can gain from them to lead less anxious lives. 

Book Reference: The Cry of the Soul by Dan Allender and Tremper Longman

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8 balls, tube socks, and rocks—OH MY! Jackie recounts stressful (and somewhat traumatic) moments from her life before Christ that bring the Perrys to the point of uncontrollable (happy) tears.

Book Reference: Gay Girl, Good God by Jackie Hill Perry

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The phenomenon of celebrity is quite…strange. Jackie talks about the pressure of maintaining a facade when notoriety places her in uncomfortable situations, and Preston advocates for a “hierarchy of opinions” to keep us all from becoming puppets. We also explore how celebrity culture affects the local church and its leaders.

Previous Episode Reference: Fame: Christian Celebrity Culture (Season 3: Episode 5)

Book Reference: Illusions of Immortality: A Psychology of Fame and Celebrity by David Giles 

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Does running his bath water, baking him cookies, and rubbing his back equate to submission? The short answer? Nah. In this episode, we’re talking about how the purity of submission is displayed during the inconveniences of marriage and how true submission is a test of a wife’s trust—in God and in her husband. 

Previous Episode Reference: When Your Man is Intimidated by Your Gifts (Season 2: Episode 1)

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Let’s be clear— headship and dominance are not the same thing. Christ-like headship requires two things that may be difficult for some husbands: sacrifice and vulnerability. We chat about what real headship is, what it isn’t, and why it can be scary.

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For the final episode of the season, we're answering questions from our Patreon Saints. They wanted to know if Jackie disciples people she doesn't know, our thoughts on witchcraft, and more.

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Guns aren't foreign to the American way of life and neither is the misuse, murder, and destructive violence that's caused by them. Jackie isn't the biggest fan of guns for that reason. Preston owns them and believes them to be a useful tool in protecting your family. Listen in as Jackie picks Preston's brain about guns and how to make sense of a complex subject. 

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We clearly knew something about sex before getting married but sadly, most of our perspectives were toxic. Worldliness and unhealthy Christian frameworks about sexuality shaped our thinking as it probably has for many of us. So let's talk about it. 

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If you heard someone use the word “Black biblical interpretation,” would you have any idea what they meant by it? We didn’t until we had a chat with Esau about it and we soon realized it’s a practice the entire church would greatly benefit from.  

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Should I call my friend by their preferred pronoun? How should I walk with people within the  trans community? Is polyamory wrong? These are common questions that we sat down with  Preston Sprinkle to chat about. Preston is the author of “Embodied: Transgender Identities, the Church, and What the Bible Has to Say” and President of “The Center for Faith, Sexuality &  Gender.”  

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Friends are like family. Especially friends that have the same faith as you. So it can be devastating when a friend leaves the faith they once represented. On today’s episode, we talk about how to deal with it, including how to walk with friends that are “deconstructing.”  

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The Bible tells us to guard our hearts right? Well, how often have you thought about how to apply the principle to your marriage relationship? There are temptations everywhere. From ex’s, to  co-workers, to pornography, even bitterness and entitlement can harden your heart towards your spouse. Let’s chat about how to keep our hearts soft towards God and each other.  

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One God, in three distinct persons?? Confusing, we know. 

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Grief is hard to describe but when you’re in it, you know it. It’s something everybody will have to endure at some point in time so how can we endure it “well,” if that’s even a thing? We’re  joined by Davey Blackburn, a man who knows what grief is and how God is faithful to show up in  it.  

To learn more about Davy’s ministry, go to www.nothingiswasted.com.

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Everybody gets mad. Some of us are angry at petty stuff. Some of us are angry at the right stuff. But how do we discern between the two or even recognize when we are dealing with anger at all? 

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Dating: the topic everybody loves to discuss. It feels like we covered everything in this  conversation. Dating according to our “types.” Dating non-Christians and the like. Why men  aren’t “choosing,” and more…  

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Our most downloaded episode in all three seasons is “Storytime with Preston Perry” and it’s clearly because Preston has the wildest stories. Last season, he told us about a time he encountered a demon-possessed man. We’re starting off Season 4 with even more craziness.

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