Mind Over Murder

Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by Sacramento County DA Thien Ho to discuss his powerful new book, "The People Vs. The Golden State Killer," which tells the behind the scene story of the successful prosecution of Joseph D'Angelo. The book will be released on November 11, 2025.

Thien Ho Website:  https://www.thienho.org/

American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:

https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/

WTKR N...

Pulitzer Prize-winning writer Caroline Fraser joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book "Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers." The work explores the provocative premise that environmental toxins may have led men living in the Pacific Northwest to become serial killers. Could a poisonous mix of lead, copper and arsenic fumes spewing out of a massive industrial smelting plant in Tacoma, Washington have impacted those living in its shadow? This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on June 30, 2025.

Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time...

Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley in a new  "Ask Us Anything" episode. We discuss the Colonial Parkway Murders, Bill's older brother Richard's recent memorial service, and the Thomas family's discovery via DNA search of a long lost sister and the family secret that kept her hidden for 50 years.  This is Part 3 of our brand new "Ask Us Anything" series on the Colonial Parkway Murders.

American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:

ht...

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by Chris Fabricant of the Innocence Project to discuss his new edition of his book, "Junk Science and the American Criminal Justice System."  Chris describes the shocking story of how discredited scientific forensics have been used in thousands of wrongful convictions across the United States. This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on June 23, 2025.

Goodreads:  Junk Science and the American Criminal Justice System:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59427482-junk-science-and-the-american-criminal-justice-system

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do...

Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they interview Jerome Elam, expert on human trafficking and chairman of the Trafficking in America Task Force.  Learn how kids, young people and adults are trafficked and how they are drawn into this sordid multimillion dollar business where humans are traded for sex, drugs, money, and even human organs.

Trafficking in America Task Force:

https://traffickinginamericataskforce.org/

National Human Trafficking Hotline:  800-373-7888

National Center for Missing and Exploited Children: 800-843-5678

American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders: Duration: 00:51:24

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper with Darren Schaefer, the host of "The Cooper Vortex" podcast.  Dan "DB" Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This bonus episode is Part 4 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case, and originally ran on June 16, 2025.

The Cooper Vortex Podcast: 
https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
https://www.po...

Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley in a new  "Ask Us Anything" episode focused on the Colonial Parkway Murders.  We answer questions, give a status report on the Colonial Parkway Murders case-- still unsolved after nearly 39 years--, highlight more stalling from the FBI, new potential accomplices to suspect Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. , and much more.  This is Part 2 of our brand new "Ask Us Anything" series on the Colonial Parkway Murders.

American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

Washingtonian: A Murder on...

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper with Darren Schaefer, the host of "The Cooper Vortex" podcast.  Dan "DB" Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This bonus episode is Part 3 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case, and originally ran on June 9, 2025.

The Cooper Vortex Podcast: 
https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
https://www.po...

Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley in a new  "Ask Us Anything" episode focused on the Colonial Parkway Murders.  We answer questions, give a status report on the Colonial Parkway Murders case-- still unsolved after nearly 39 years--, highlight more stalling from the FBI, new potential accomplices to suspect Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. , and much more.  This is Part 1 of our brand new "Ask Us Anything" series on the Colonial Parkway Murders.

American Detective TV series: Colonial Parkway Murders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

Washingtonian: A Murder on...

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This bonus episode is Part 2 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case and originally ran in May/June 2025.

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
solved-dna/

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article—Natale:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a45639586/who-was-db-cooper/ Duration: 00:29:33

Join Pulitzer Prize willing author Gilbert King as he sits down with "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new book and hit podcast "Bone Valley." The book and podcast tells a true story of injustice and redemption in the heart of Florida-- in 1988, Leo Schofield was arrested and charged with the murder of his wife, Michelle-- a murder he did not commit. Leo served more than 30 years, and was ultimately released on parole. He has yet to be exonerated despite another man confessing to killing Michelle Schofield. Publish date: Oct. 7, 2025.


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"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This bonus episode is Part 1 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case and originally ran in May/June 2025.

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
solved-dna/

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article—Natale:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a45639586/who-was-db-cooper/ Duration: 00:47:00

Join "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they discuss the recent CrimeCon 2025 held a week ago in Denver-- nearly 7,000 fans gathered for a fun, informative and inspiring weekend covering all things true crime.  We get into the CrimeCon CLUE Awards, great interactions with fans, podcasters and the denizens of Creator's Row, CrimeCon likes and dislikes (way more likes than dislikes!), and preview CrimeCon 2026, to be held May 29-31, 2026 in Las Vegas.

Colorado Public Radio: CrimeCon 2025 draws thousands to Gaylord Rockies in Aurora:

https://www.cpr.org/2025/09/06/crimecon-2025-true-crime-denver-aurora/

CrimeCon in t...

Michael Butterfield, author of "The Zodiac Killer: The Story of America's Most Elusive Murderer," joins "Mind Over Murder" cohosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new book, his longtime research into the still unsolved Zodiac case, and his website, ZodiacKillerFacts.com. Will Zodiac ever be identified?  Will the remaining Zodiac ciphers be solved?  Are there really similarities between the Zodiac case and the Colonial Parkway Murders? This bonus episode is is Part 2 of 2 parts on the Zodiac with Michael Butterfield, and originally ran on May 19, 2025.

Amazon:  The Zodiac Killer: The Story of America's Most Elusive Murderer Duration: 00:36:03

Legendary FBI profiler James R. Fitzgerald joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his latest book, A Journey to the Center of the Mind, which covers his work on many high profile FBI cases including the Unabomb case, 9/11, the Olympic Park bombing in Atlanta, the JonBenet Ramsey case, his work on the hit TV series Criminal Minds and much more.

A Journey to the Center of the Mind - Book IV: The (Last Ten) FBI Years, and the "Retirement" Years by James R Fitzgerald

https://www.amazon.com/Journey-Center-Mind-Years-Retirement/dp/B0...

Michael Butterfield, author of "The Zodiac Killer: The Story of America's Most Elusive Murderer," joins "Mind Over Murder" cohosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new book, his longtime research into the still unsolved Zodiac case, and his website, ZodiacKillerFacts.com. Will Zodiac ever be identified?  Will the remaining Zodiac ciphers be solved?  Are there really similarities between the Zodiac case and the Colonial Parkway Murders? This bonus episode is is Part 1 of 2 parts on the Zodiac with Michael Butterfield, and originally ran on May 12, 2025.

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"Mind Over Murder" podcast host Bill Thomas asks retired Virginia State Police Special Agent Danny Plott questions regarding Joe Kenda's  "American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders" TV special on the Investigation Discovery network.  Are Joe Kenda and Danny Plott on the right track to help solve this case of serial murder?  This bonus episode is part 2 of 2 parts of our interview with Danny Plott in the American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders.  It originally ran on May 5, 2025.

American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rapp...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast host Bill Thomas asks retired Virginia State Police Special Agent Danny Plott questions regarding Joe Kenda's  "American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders" TV special on the Investigation Discovery network.  Are Joe Kenda and Danny Plott on the right track to help solve this case of serial murder?  This bonus episode is part 1 of 2 parts of our interview with Danny Plott in the American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders.  It originally ran on April 28, 2025.

American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rapp...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast co-hosts Kristin Dilley and Bill Thomas discuss three shocking cases across the Commonwealth of Virginia, including the murder of Holly Hatcher in Rockingham County, attempted murder by torching of City Councilman Lee Vogler in Danville, and the mysterious murder of Navy sailor Angelina Resendez at the Norfolk Navy Base.

Mom of Country Musician Is Stabbed to Death in Home Invasion Before Dad Kills the Assailant

ttps://people.com/holly-hatcher-stabbed-fatally-mom-country-star-11788741

Councilman Lee Vogler severely burned over half his body after sadistic attack by maniac who wanted him dead: cops

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"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley reply to an "Ask Us Anything" series of listener questions regarding Joe Kenda's  "American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders" TV special on the Investigation Discovery network.  This is part 2 of our "Ask Us Anything" on the American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders, and originally ran on April 21, 2025.

American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:

https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in...

Former NYPD Detective Kristina Brownlee joins "Mind Over Murder" podcast co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book "And Then Came the Blues: My Story of Survival on Both Sides of the Badge." The book tells the story of Katrina's survival after her fiance tried to kill her, leaving her lying bleeding with 10 bullets in her body, her decision to push back against domestic violence by joining the NYPD, rising to the rank of detective, and her inspiring creation of "Young Ladies of Our Future," a supprt group for at risk young women.

And Then...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley reply to an "Ask Us Anything" series of listener questions regarding Joe Kenda's  "American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders" TV special on the Investigation Discovery network.  This is part 1 of our "Ask Us Anything" on the American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders, and originally ran on April 14, 2025.

American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:

https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by best selling true crime author Cathy Scott, who fills us in on her new writing project, a biography of the legendary author Ann Rule. 

Cathy Scott Website:  http://www.cathyscott.com/

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hangouts, and a lot of fun! Use the code MINDOVERMURDER to get 10% off your tickets between now and September! See you there!

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley meet with former FBI Profiler (and producer and writer) Jim Clemente to discuss the parole process for the 3 men convicted in mass kidnapping of 26 elementary school students and their bus driver in rural Chowchilla, California.  The crime, the largest mass kidnapping in United States history, shocked the nation in 1976.  Should the 3 kidnappers have served longer?  How was the trauma of the 26 young victims taken into account if at all?  We also catch up all of the projects that Jim Clemente has been working on as a writer and producer. This bonu...

Kevin Fixler, investigative reporter for the Idaho Statesman, joins "Mind Over Murder" cohosts Kristin Dilley and Bill Thomas to discuss murder of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen, four college students killed by spree killer Bryan Kohberger at tgroup house in Moscow, Idaho in November 2022, in a case now known as the Idaho 4 Murders.  Suspect Bryan Kohberger has recently accepted a plea arrangement to serve four consecutive life sentences in lieu of the death penalty.

Kevin Fixler Stories in the Idaho Statesman

https://www.idahostatesman.com/profile/251800473

Idaho murder victims' families r...

"Mind Over Murder" cohosts Kristin Dilley and Bill Thomas discuss the victim impact statements provided by family and friends of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen, four college students murdered by spree killer Bryan Kohberger at their group house in Moscow, Idaho in November 2022.  Kohberger has recently accepted a plea arrangement to serve four consecutive life sentences in lieu of the death penalty. This is part 2 of two parts covering the victim impact statements.

Idaho murder victims' families read impact statements at Bryan Kohberger's sentencing | full video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5q...

"Mind Over Murder" cohosts Kristin Dilley and Bill Thomas discuss the victim impact statements provided by family and friends of Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen, four college students murdered by spree killer Bryan Kohberger at their group house in Moscow, Idaho in November 2022.  Kohberger has recently accepted a plea arrangement to serve four consecutive life sentences in lieu of the death penalty. This is part 1 of two parts covering the victim impact statements.

Idaho murder victims' families read impact statements at Bryan Kohberger's sentencing | full video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5q...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley meet with retired prosecutor Matt Murphy to discuss the parole process for the 3 men convicted in mass kidnapping of 26 elementary school students and their bus driver in rural Chowchilla, California.  The crime, the largest mass kidnapping in United States history, shocked the nation in 1976. How does the California parole system work?   What impact did the kidnapping have on the 26 survivors? Why were the three kidnappers ultimately paroled?  This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on March 31, 2025.

"Chowchilla" Documentary on Max (highly recommended)

https://www.max...

Criminal Psychologist Katherine Ramsland joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss confession killers, those criminals who confess to murders and other serious crimes that they did not commit.  Why do serial killers like Henry Lee Lucas, Ottis Toole and Samuel Little confess to scores of additional murders?  Why does this odd phenomenon keep recurring?

Time:  The Story of Henry Lee Lucas, the Notorious Subject of Netflix’s The Confession Killer

ttps://time.com/5745028/the-confession-killer-henry-lee-lucas-netflix/

Katherine Ramsland books:

https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B000APFCQC?entity-to-process=B000APBAP...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mass kidnapping of 26 elementary school students and their bus driver in rural Chowchilla, California.  The crime, the largest mass kidnapping in United States history, shocked the nation in 1976. How did three rich kids plan and execute this heinous crime?  Why did their plans fall apart so quickly? What impact did the kidnapping have on the 26 survivors? Why were the three kidnappers ultimately paroled?  Thos bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on March 24, 2025.

"Chowchilla" Documentary on Max (highly recommended)

https://www.max.com/mov...

Author and journalist Maureen Boyle joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her book "Shallow Graves: The Hunt for the New Bedford Highway Serial Killer." 
The book tells the harrowing story of the still unsolved murder of 9 women who were left for dead off highways near New Bedford, Massachusetts, together with two others who went missing and have never been found. 

Shallow Graves: The Hunt for the New Bedford Highway Serial Killer:

https://shallowgravesthebook.com/

Goodreads: Shallow Graves: The Hunt for the New Bedford Highway Serial Killer:
Duration: 00:40:32

"Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the bombshell news that suspect Bryan Kohberger has agreed to plead guilty to murdering 4 college students, Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen at their group house in Moscow, Idaho in November 2022. Kohberger was facing the death penalty in Idaho, but will now serve four consecutive life sentences with no possiblity of parole for the brutal killings. This part 2 of 2 parts on the Kohberger guilty plea.

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"Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the bombshell news that suspect Bryan Kohberger has agreed to plead guilty to murdering 4 college students, Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen at their group house in Moscow, Idaho in November 2022. Kohberger was facing the death penalty in Idaho, but will now serve four consecutive life sentences with no possiblity of parole for the brutal killings. This part 1 of 2 parts on the Kohberger guilty plea.

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hangouts, and a l...

New York Times bestselling author Casey Sherman joins Mind Over Murder hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new true crime book, "Blood in the Water: The Untold Story of a Family Tragedy."  The book tells the amazing true story of Nathan Carman, who was accused of both killing his mother on a family fishing trip in the North Atlantic, as well as being suspected of shooting his multimillionaire grandfather to death, all in pursuit of wealth and power. This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on March 17, 2025.

Goodreads: Blood in the Water: The U...

Pulitzer Prize-winning writer Caroline Fraser joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book "Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers." The work explores the provocative premise that environmental toxins may have led men living in the Pacific Northwest to become serial killers. Could a poisonous mix of lead, copper and arsenic fumes spewing out of a massive industrial smelting plant in Tacoma, Washington have impacted those living in its shadow?

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener han...

Author and advocate Ashley Spence joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book "Silent Witness: How DNA Uncovered the Truth and Empowered My Healing."  Ashley, a sexual assault survivor herself, founded the DNA Justice Project to advocate how forensic DNA can change lives, transform justice and prevent crimes before they happen. This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder"originally ran on March 3, 2025.

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hangouts, and a lot of fun! Use the code MINDOVERMURDER to get...

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by Chris Fabricant of the Innocence Project to discuss his new edition of his book, "Junk Science and the American Criminal Justice System."  Chris describes the shocking story of how discredited scientific forensics have been used in thousands of wrongful convictions across the United States.

Goodreads:  Junk Science and the American Criminal Justice System:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59427482-junk-science-and-the-american-criminal-justice-system

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/hi...

Author and podcaster Kate Winkler Dawson joins "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book, "The Sinners All Bow: Two Authors, One Murder and the Real Hester Prynne."  We also touch on "Buried Bones," her historical true crime podcast with investigator Paul Holes.  This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on February 24, 2025.

The Sinners All Bow: Two Authors, One Murder and the Real Hester Prynne:

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/727618/the-sinners-all-bow-by-kate-winkler-dawson/

Buried Bones Podcast:

https://www.exactlyrightmedia.com/buried-bones

WTKR News 3: One ye...

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper with Darren Schaefer, the host of "The Cooper Vortex" podcast.  Dan "DB" Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This is Part 4 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case.

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hangouts, and a lot of fun! Use the...

Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they meet award winning author and historian Anne Soon Choi to discuss her new book "L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and Death in Hollywood," which tells the story of one of America's most prominent medical examiners. Dr. Noguchi's outstanding and sometimes controversial work earned him the nickname "Coroner to the Stars."  This bonus episode of "mind Over Murder" originally ran on February 17, 2025.

L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and Death in Hollywood book: 

https://thirdstatebooks.com/pages/la-coroner

Amazon:  L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and...

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper with Darren Schaefer, the host of "The Cooper Vortex" podcast.  Dan "DB" Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This is Part 3 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case.

The Cooper Vortex Podcast: 
https://thecoopervortex.podbean.com/

October 2023 Popular Mechanics article--Newcomb:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/airlines/a43298881/db-cooper-case-could-be-
so...

Join "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as we discuss the New York Times Magazine article by Pamela Colloff: "He Dialed 911 to Save His Baby. Then His Children Were Taken Away.  The controversial medical diagnosis of shaken baby syndrome can send parents to jail. What if the symptoms are caused by something else?" This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on January 20, 2025.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/magazine/shaken-baby-syndrome-diagnosis.html

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hangouts, and a lot...

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This is Part 2 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case.

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hangouts, and a lot of fun! Use the code MINDOVERMURDER to get 10% off your tickets between now and September! See you...

James Lee Hernandez and Brian Lazarte, writer/producers of "McMillions: The Absolutely True Story of How and Unlikely Pair of FBI Agents Brought Down the Most Supersized Fraud in Fast Food History" join "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley for a great discussion of their true crime series, book and podcasts.  This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on December 23, 2024.



CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hangouts, and a lot of fun! Use the code MINDOVERMURDER to get 10% off your...

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mysterious case of D B Cooper, who successfully hijacked a Northwest Airlines passenger jet and parachuted into the dense forest of the Pacific Northwest. He was never caught, although a small amount of the $200,000 ransom was later recovered. This is Part 1 of 4 parts on the Dan "DB" Cooper case.

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hangouts, and a lot of fun! Use the code MINDOVERMURDER to get 10% off your tickets between now and September! See you...

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by Robert Grey, longtime listener to the podcast who attended both Virginia Tech and William and Mary. We review his impressions of the August 2009 murders of Virginia Tech students Heidi Childs and David Metzler, as well as the Colonial Parkway Murders, and their impact on the college community. Can advanced DNA techniques solve the tragic case of two undergrads found shot to death in a place called Caldwell Fields?  How has the Virginia Tech community been touched so many times by senseless violence? Where does the Childs/Metzler investigation g...

Michael Butterfield, author of "The Zodiac Killer: The Story of America's Most Elusive Murderer," joins "Mind Over Murder" cohosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new book, his longtime research into the still unsolved Zodiac case, and his website, ZodiacKillerFacts.com. Will Zodiac ever be identified?  Will the remaining Zodiac ciphers be solved?  Are there really similarities between the Zodiac case and the Colonial Parkway Murders? This is Part 2 of 2 parts on the Zodiac with Michael Butterfield.

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hango...

Dan Harrington, Gil Harrington and Jane Lillian Vance, founders of "Help Save the Next Girl," join us to discuss the good work of their organization, founded after the brutal murder of Dan and Gil's 20 year old daughter Morgan Harrington in October 2009.  We talk about the book that Gil and Jane co-wrote, "Morgan Harrington Murdered Dead and for Good: A Mother's Quest to Find a Serial Killer and Healing," as well as missing persons cases in Virginia, dealing with profound grief, and healing through service. This is part 2 of a two part bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder," and originally ran o...

Michael Butterfield, author of "The Zodiac Killer: The Story of America's Most Elusive Murderer," joins "Mind Over Murder" cohosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new book, his longtime research into the still unsolved Zodiac case, and his website, ZodiacKillerFacts.com. Will Zodiac ever be identified?  Will the remaining Zodiac ciphers be solved?  Are there really similarities between the Zodiac case and the Colonial Parkway Murders? This is Part 1 of 2 parts on the Zodiac with Michael Butterfield.

CrimeCon:  We’re going to CrimeCon again, folks! Join us in Denver for new merch, some MOM listener hangouts, and a...

Dan Harrington, Gil Harrington and Jane Lillian Vance, founders of "Help Save the Next Girl," join us to discuss the good work of their organization, founded after the brutal murder of Dan and Gil's 20 year old daughter Morgan Harrington in October 2009.  We talk about the book that Gil and Jane co-wrote, "Morgan Harrington Murdered Dead and for Good: A Mother's Quest to Find a Serial Killer and Healing," as well as missing persons cases in Virginia, dealing with profound grief, and healing through service. This is part 1 of a two part bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder," and originally ran o...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast host Bill Thomas asks retired Virginia State Police Special Agent Danny Plott questions regarding Joe Kenda's  "American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders" TV special on the Investigation Discovery network.  Are Joe Kenda and Danny Plott on the right track to help solve this case of serial murder?  This is part 2 of 2 parts of our interview with Danny Plott in the American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders.

American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:

https://www.washingtonian.com...

Matt Murphy, renowned California prosecutor and now legal analyst for ABC News, joins "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new "The Book of Murder: A Prosecutors Journey Through Love and Death." In this deep dive into murder and its aftermath, Matt walks readers through some of the most complex and diabolical cases from his career in the Orange County District Attorney's Office. He describes how, despite the work wreaking havoc on his personal life, he ultimately found peace amid the darkness of the job.  This bonus episode originally ran on October 21, 2024.

"The B...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast host Bill Thomas asks retired Virginia State Police Special Agent Danny Plott questions regarding Joe Kenda's  "American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders" TV special on the Investigation Discovery network.  Are Joe Kenda and Danny Plott on the right track to help solve this case of serial murder?  This is part 1 of 2 parts of our interview with Danny Plott in the American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders.

American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:

https://www.washingtonian.com...

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley review the August 2009 murders of Virginia Tech students Heidi Childs and David Metzler, still unsolved after 15 years. Can advanced DNA techniques solve this tragic case of two undergrads found shot to death in a place called Caldwell Fields?  How has the Virginia Tech community been touched so many times by senseless violence? Where does the Childs/Metzler investigation go from here? This bonus episode of Mind Over Murder originally ran on October 28, 2024.

Virginia State Police Heidi Childs and David Metzler

https://coldcase.vsp.virginia.gov/virginia-state-police/case/v...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley reply to an "Ask Us Anything" series of listener questions regarding Joe Kenda's  "American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders" TV special on the Investigation Discovery network.  This is part 1 of our "Ask Us Anything" on the American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders.

American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:

https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand? Duration: 00:45:41

Edna Cowell Martin, cousin to serial killer Ted Bundy, joins "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book, cowritten with Megan Atkinson, "Dark Tide: Growing Up With Ted Bundy."  How well do we really know the people around us? What would you do if you learned your family's secrets?  Are their truly monsters among us?  Join us for a fascinating conversation. This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on September 30, 2024.

"Dark Tide: Growing Up With Ted Bundy" 

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/207293811-dark-tide

Won't you help...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley reply to an "Ask Us Anything" series of listener questions regarding Joe Kenda's  "American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders" TV special on the Investigation Discovery network.  This is part 1 of our "Ask Us Anything" on the American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders.

American Detective: Colonial Parkway Murders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp3rNRZnL0E

Washingtonian: A Murder on the Rappahannock River:

https://www.washingtonian.com/2019/06/27/murder-on-the-rappahannock-river-emerson-stevens-mary-harding-innocence-project/

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand? Duration: 00:48:15

Jeffrey Smalldon talks with "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley about his new book, "That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Fifty Years of Conversations with Killers." He recounts his many face to face conversations with murderers like John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, serial sniper Thomas Lee Dillon, Donald Harvey, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme and many others. This is Part 2 of 2 parts with Jeffrey Smalldon, and this bonus episode originally ran on October 14, 2024.

Jeffrey Smalldon site:  https://jeffreysmalldon.com/

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and s...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley meet with former FBI Profiler (and producer and writer) Jim Clemente to discuss the parole process for the 3 men convicted in mass kidnapping of 26 elementary school students and their bus driver in rural Chowchilla, California.  The crime, the largest mass kidnapping in United States history, shocked the nation in 1976.  Should the 3 kidnappers have served longer?  How was the trauma of the 26 young victims taken into account if at all?  We also catch up all of the projects that Jim has been working on as a writer and producer.

"Chow...

Jeffrey Smalldon talks with "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley about his new book, "That Beast Was Not Me: One Forensic Psychologist, Fifty Years of Conversations with Killers." He recounts his many face to face conversations with murderers like John Wayne Gacy, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, serial sniper Thomas Lee Dillon, Donald Harvey, Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme and many others. This is Part 1 of 2 parts with Jeffrey Smalldon, and originally ran on October 7, 2024.

Jeffrey Smalldon site:  https://jeffreysmalldon.com/

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight o...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley meet with retired prosecutor Matt Murphy to discuss the parole process for the 3 men convicted in mass kidnapping of 26 elementary school students and their bus driver in rural Chowchilla, California.  The crime, the largest mass kidnapping in United States history, shocked the nation in 1976. How does the California parole system work?   What impact did the kidnapping have on the 26 survivors? Why were the three kidnappers ultimately paroled?

"Chowchilla" Documentary on Max (highly recommended)

https://www.max.com/movies/chowchilla/35e6ffd5-2cb1-4bd4-b2f3...

Denise Huskins and Aaron Quinn join "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss their book, co-written with Nicole Weisensee Egan, "Victim F: From Crime Victims to Suspects to Survivors," which tells the shocking true story of their bizarre 2015 kidnapping and the revictimization by the justice system in Vallejo, California, where investigators refused to believe their story until it proved to be completely true. Denise and Aaron's story was featured in a hit 2024 Netflix documentary series, "American NIghtmare." 

"Victim F: From Crime Victims to Suspects to Survivors" Book

https://victimf.com/

"A...

"Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley discuss the mass kidnapping of 26 elementary school students and their bus driver in rural Chowchilla, California.  The crime, the largest mass kidnapping in United States history, shocked the nation in 1976. How did three rich kids plan and execute this heinous crime?  Why did their plans fall apart so quickly? What impact did the kidnapping have on the 26 survivors? Why were the three kidnappers ultimately paroled?

"Chowchilla" Documentary on Max (highly recommended)

https://www.max.com/movies/chowchilla/35e6ffd5-2cb1-4bd4-b2f3-62064f7...

Nina Innsted, host of the "Already Gone" podcast and the "Missing in Michigan" Facebook page joins "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss why some missing persons posts on social media turn out to be scams, why fake notices like these hurt real efforts to find missing people, and how to avoid these scams.  Why do people run scams like this? What can families of missing people do to let people know their posts are legitimate?  How can we avoid such scams? Join us for a fascinating conversation.

Already Gone Podcast:  https://www.alreadygonepodcast.com...

New York Times bestselling author Casey Sherman joins Mind Over Murder hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his new true crime book, "Blood in the Water: The Untold Story of a Family Tragedy."  The book tells the amazing true mystery of Nathan Carman, who was accused of both killing his mother on a family fishing trip in the North Atlantic, as well as being suspected of shooting his multimillionaire grandfather to death, all in pursuit of wealth and power. The book launches on April 8, 2025.

Goodreads: Blood in the Water: The Untold Story of a Family Tragedy Duration: 00:43:47

Longtime Boston Globe reporter Stephen Kurkjian joins "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to talk about his book, "Master Thieves: The Boston Gangsters Who Pulled Off the World's Greatest Art Heist."  This is Part 1 of our discussion with Steve about the 1990 theft of 13 masterworks taken from the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum, still not recovered after 34 years. This bonus report originally ran on May 2, 2024.

Master Thieves The Boston Gangsters Who Pulled Off the World's Greatest Art Heist

https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/stephen-kurkjian/master-thieves/9781610396325/?lens=publicaffairs

Won't you help the Mind Over M...

Join "Mind Over Murder" podcast co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley for a case update on the Colonial Parkway Murders in Virginia.  More than a year has gone by since the FBI and Virginia State Police announced in January 2024 that Robin Edwards and David Knobling had been killed by Lancaster, Virginia waterman Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr, and that Wilmer's DNA also tied him to the 1989 murder of Teresa Howell.  How does this suspect, who died in 2017, connect to the other Colonial Parkway Murders?  What about other suspects? Will Wilmer's DNA ever be loaded into the CODIS DNIA ID system? Can an...

Longtime Boston Globe reporter Stephen Kurkjian joins "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to talk about his book, "Master Thieves: The Boston Gangsters Who Pulled Off the World's Greatest Art Heist."  This is Part 1 of our discussion with Steve about the 1990 theft of 13 masterworks taken from the Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum, still not recovered after 34 years. This bonus report originally ran on April 29, 2024.

Master Thieves The Boston Gangsters Who Pulled Off the World's Greatest Art Heist

https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/stephen-kurkjian/master-thieves/9781610396325/?lens=publicaffairs

Won't you help the Mind Over M...

Author and advocate Ashley Spence joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book "Silent Witness: How DNA Uncovered the Truth and Empowered My Healing."  Ashley, a sexual assault survivor herself, founded the DNA Justice Project to advocate how forensic DNA can change lives, transform justice and prevent crimes before they happen.

Goodreads:  Silent Witness: How DNA Uncovered the Truth and Empowered My Healing

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/222721460-silent-witness

DNA Justice Project:

https://www.dnajusticeproject.org/

RAINN:  Together, we will create a wor...

Reknowned investigator Lindsey Wade, author of the new book "In My DNA: My Career Investigating Your Worst Nightmares" (nominated for a CrimeCon CLUE Award) joins "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss the CODIS Gap.  Why are so many offenders, including rapists, murderers and even serial killers not found in the CODIS DNA database? Why does the United States have 50 sets of rules, one for each state, as to how DNA samples are handled and uploaded to CODIS?  How many offenders are slipping through the cracks? How can we address the CODIS Gap? This bonus episode or...

Author and podcaster Kate Winkler Dawson joins "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss her new book, "The Sinners All Bow: Two Authors, One Murder and the Real Hester Prynne."  We also touch on "Buried Bones," her historical true crime podcast with investigator Paul Holes.

The Sinners All Bow: Two Authors, One Murder and the Real Hester Prynne:

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/727618/the-sinners-all-bow-by-kate-winkler-dawson/

Buried Bones Podcast:

https://www.exactlyrightmedia.com/buried-bones


WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things s...

Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley and our MC, Sheryl "Mac" McCollum, with our live panel discussion at CrimeCon 2024 in Nashville, held May 30, 2024.  This live recording is courtesy of the team at CrimeCon, and originally aired on June 24, 2024.

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WTVR CBS News:  Colonial Pa...

Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they meet award winning author and historian Anne Soon Choi to discuss her new book "L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and Death in Hollywood," which tells the story of one of America's most prominent medical examiners. Dr. Noguchi's outstanding and sometimes controversial work earned him the nickname "Coroner to the Stars."

L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and Death in Hollywood book: 

https://thirdstatebooks.com/pages/la-coroner

Amazon:  L.A. Coroner: Thomas Noguchi and Death in Hollywood

https://www.amazon.com/L-Coroner-Thomas-Noguchi-Hollywood/dp...

Kathryn "Kate" Miles, bestselling author of "Trailed: One Woman's Quest to Solve the Shenadoah Murders" joins "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss the recent FBI announcement that the 1996 murder of Julie Williams and Lollie Winans has been solved. With the news that deceased suspect Walter "Leo" Jackson, Sr. has been connected to the murder via DNA, why is the FB being so secretive about how the case was solved?  Why are press conferences being scheduled with no notice?  Why are so many questions going unanswered? Is the FBI covering up for mistakes as we ha...

Kathryn "Kate" Miles, bestselling author of "Trailed: One Woman's Quest to Solve the Shenadoah Murders" joins "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss the recent FBI announcement that the 1996 murder of Julie Williams and Lollie Winans has been solved. With the news that deceased suspect Walter "Leo" Jackson, Sr. has been connected to the murder via DNA, why is the FB being so secretive about how the case was solved?  Why are press conferences being scheduled with no notice?  Why are so many questions going unanswered? Is the FBI covering up for mistakes as we ha...

Bestselling author Ron Peterson Jr joins "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to talk about his brand new book "In the Wind: The Disappearance of Janice Starr" which tells the story of groundbreaking female detective Kay Shucker, who helped solve the case of an Old Dominion University student who went missing in 1981. It is an amazing story with twists and turns that could have been fiction-- except it is all true.

In the Wind: The Disappearance of Janice Starr

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/214483276-in-the-wind

WTKR News 3: One year...

Join "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they present a live podcast event on "Advocacy in the Colonial Parkway Murders." The event was recorded before a live audience at the Montclair Public Library in Prince William County, Virginia on Saturday, January 25, 2025.

WTKR News 3: One year after development in Colonial Parkway Murders, where do things stand?

https://www.wtkr.com/news/in-the-community/historic-triangle/one-year-after-development-in-colonial-parkway-murders-where-do-things-stand

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any...

"Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley offer our observations about of the new HBO true crime documentary series "Burden of Proof," which covers the disappearance of 15 year old student Jennifer Pandos who went missing from her parent's home in Williamsburg, Virginia in February 1987. This is Part 5 of our discussion of Burden of Proof, and originally ran on July 17, 2023.

We also begin a discussion of the 40 year old Tylenol Murders case. With the death of longtime Tylenol suspect James Lewis in Cambridge, Massachusetts, is this the end of the line for this case? Could other suspects...

Join "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as we offer a True Crime News Roundup, with new reporting on DNA tests in the Jack the Ripper case, Bryan Kohberger's defense moves in the Idaho 4 murder case, latest developments in the Isle of Wight Virginia bombmaking suspect, and staff changes in the FBI investigative team in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

CBS News:  Jack the Ripper victim's relative demands new inquest after possible DNA breakthrough: "A form of justice"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jack-the-ripper-victim-relative-new-inquest-dna-evidence/

Latin Times:  Bryan Kohberger Update: Defense Tries to...

Investigator Wendi Reed joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as we continue our analysis of the new HBO true crime documentary series "Burden of Proof," which covers the disappearance of 15 year old student Jennifer Pandos who went missing from her parent's home in Williamsburg, Virginia in February 1987. Wendi was the lead invetigator for the James City County Police Department in the Jennifer Pandos case for several years. This is Part 3 of our discussion of Burden of Proof and this baffling case.  This bonus episode of Mind Over Murder originally ran on July 6, 2023.

Burden of P...

Join "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as we discuss the New York Times Magazine article by Pamela Colloff: "He Dialed 911 to Save His Baby. Then His Children Were Taken Away.  The controversial medical diagnosis of shaken baby syndrome can send parents to jail. What if the symptoms are caused by something else?"

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/magazine/shaken-baby-syndrome-diagnosis.html

Coming up on Saturday, January 25, 2025:

By the Book: A True Crime MiniCon in Montcalir, Virginia

https://pwcgov.libnet.info/event/12039401?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR3GKhwvIBmPODSgx_S8nGt0xls1b...

Filmmaker Cynthia Hill and victim advocate Stephen Pandos join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as we continue our analysis of the new HBO true crime documentary series "Burden of Proof," which covers the disappearance of 15 year old student Jennifer Pandos who went missing from her parent's home in Williamsburg, Virginia in February 1987. This is Part 4 of our discussion of Burden of Proof and this baffling case. This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on July  10, 2023.

Burden of Proof | Official Website for the HBO Series

https://www.hbo.com/burden-of-proof
Duration: 00:44:08

Join "Mind Over Murder" hosts Kristin Dilley and Bill Thomas as we discuss our upcoming live podcast event at the Montclair, Virginia Library set for Saturday, January 25, 2025, the December 17 arrest of a Smithfield, VA man with more than 150 pipe bombs, and the frustrating radio silence from FBI and Virginia State Police in the Colonial Parkway Murders.

By the Book: A True Crime MiniCon in Montcalir, Virginia

https://pwcgov.libnet.info/event/12039401?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR3GKhwvIBmPODSgx_S8nGt0xls1bsxvjcDaiGVHGuVnixadMPusA1mLpNI_aem_0qgz1Wwvro3BYgdMdhdh9w

Smithfield Times:  Foursquare Road suspect in largest-ever FBI s...

Renowned foresnics psychologist Katherine Ramsland joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss how we can identify psychopaths in our midst, whether they be be criminials, our former spouses and partners, or the kid next door. Dr. Ramsland has written 70 books, and is the Assistant Provost at DeSales University in Pennsylvania. Her latest novel is "Ice Cream Man," and her book, "In the Damage Path (Nut Cracker Investigations, Book 2) was released in August 2023.  This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally aired on July 24, 2023.

Katherine Ramsland Website:

https://www.katherineramsland.net/author Duration: 00:44:59

Join "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley for a 2025 update in the Colonial Parkway Murders case, along with an apology for our recent misstatement regarding the "Murder Sheet" podcast. When will the Colonial Parkway Murders be solved? After the January 8, 2024 FBI/VSP announcement solving the 1988 murder of Robin Edwards and David Knobling linking their case to the 1989 murder of Teresa Lynn Howell, when will the other CPM cases be solved?  What is holding up additional forensic testing in this case?  Is serial killer Alan Wade Wilmer, Sr. responsible for additional homicides in Virginia?  Why is communication with the...

Richard Foster, author of "Southern Nightmare: The Hunt for the Southside Strangler," which tells the true crime story of Richmond's notorious seral killer and the first murder case in the U.S. to be solved with DNA, joins "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley. Southern Nightmare started out a successful true crime podcast hosted by Richard Foster before he continued his research to create this award-winning non-fiction book. Join us for a fascinating, and chilling, conversation.  This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on July 31, 2023.

Amazon: Southern Nightmare: The Hunt for The South S...

Join "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they discuss the sentencing of the suspect in the 2017 murders of teenagers Liberty German and Abigail Wiliams in Delphi, Indiana, as well as the arrest of the suspect in the December 2024 assassination of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson.

New York Times:  Indiana Man Sentenced to 130 Years for Killing 2 Teenage Girls

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/20/us/richard-allen-delphi-murders-sentencing.html

CNN: UnitedHealthcare CEO shooting suspect charged with murder

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-death-investigation-12-9-24/index.html

Won't you help t...

Veteran Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Baden joins "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley to discuss his amazing new book "American Autopsy: One Medical Examiner's Decades-Long Fight for Racial Justice in a Broken Legal System." This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on July 13, 2023.

Penguin Random House Books: "American Autopsy: One Medical Examiner's Decades-Long Fight for Racial Justice in a Broken Legal System."

https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/691588/american-autopsy-by-michael-m-baden-md/


WTKR News Channel 3: 35 Years Later, Family Without Answers for Colonial Parkway Murders

https://www.wtkr.com/news/35...

James Lee Hernandez and Brian Lazarte, writer/producers of "McMillions: The Absolutely True Story of How and Unlikely Pair of FBI Agents Brought Down the Most Supersized Fraud in Fast Food History" join "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley for a great discussion of their true crime series, book and podcasts. 

McMillions HBO Series:

https://www.hbo.com/mc-millions

Goodreads: McMillions: The Absolutely True Story of How an Unlikely Pair of FBI Agents Brought Down the Most Supersized Fraud in Fast Food History

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/203163978...

Join Mind Over Murder true crime podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they read "A Visit from St. Nicholas," more popularly known as "Twas the Night Before Christmas" by author Clement C. Moore. This was originally read by Kristin and Bill in December 2021, and it is back by popular demand!

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and Happy New Year from Mind Over Murder.

Whatever you celebrate, stay healthy and healthy in the New Year.

Kristin Dilley and Bill Thomas

Theme song: "We Wish you a Merry Christmas" (Traditional) by Kevin MacLeod<...

Join "Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they feature the True Crime Holiday Gift Guide for 2024. This list has all of gift items which are just right for the true crime fan in your life.  Happy Holidays to one and all!

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WTVR C...

Welcome to "Mind Over Murder." In this episode, hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley bring in forensic genealogist Dr. Colleen Fitzpatrick to discuss her work in this new field, followed by her key role in breaking the Canal Killer case. This is part 2 of a 2 part episode.  This bonus episode originally ran on May 25, 2020.

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Welcome to "Mind Over Murder." In this episode, hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley bring in forensic genealogist Dr. Colleen Fitzpatrick to discuss her work in this new field, followed by her key role in breaking the Canal Killer case. This is part 1 of a 2 part episode.  This bonus episode originally ran on May 18, 2020.

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the spotlight on the "Colonial Parkway Murders" and other unsolved cases? Contribute any amount you can here:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/mind-over-murder-podcast-expenses?utm_campaign=p_lico+share-sheet&utm_m...

Former prosecutor Francey Hakes co-hosts the "Best Case/Worst Case" podcast with former FBI profiler Jim Clemente for XG Productions in Los Angeles. Francey updates "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley on their latest podcast project, "Midwest Monster: The Hunt for the Kansas College Rapist" on Audible.  This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on October 24, 2022.

"Midwest Monster: The Hunt for the Kansas College Rapist" via Audible:

https://www.audible.com/pd/Midwest-Monster-Podcast/B0B52BN4V6

Best Case Worst Case Podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/p...

Join "Mind Over Murder" podcast hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley for True Crime News Roundup, featuring the Laken Riley, Delphi, Jussie Smollett, and Idaho 4 cases.

CNN:  Judge sentences Laken Riley’s murderer to life in prison:

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/laken-riley-murder-trial-11-20-24/index.html

CBS:  Richard Allen convicted in Delphi murder trial for killings of 2 teenage girls in Indiana

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/delphi-double-murder-trial-verdict/

Crime Online:  ‘Empire’ Star Jussie Smollett Convicted For FAKING FELONY HATE CRIME: Conviction Overturned:

https://www.crimeonline.com/2024/11/30/empire-st...

Louis Bayard, author the bestselling historical fiction book "The Pale Blue Eye," about Army Cadet Edgar Allan Poe helping a detective solve a murder at West Point, talks to us about both the book and the movie version out now on Netflix. Join "Mind Over Murder" hosts Kristin Dilley and Bill Thomas as we have a fascinating and fun conversation with Lou! "The Pale Blue Eye" will haunt you.  This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on December 12, 2022.

The Pale Blue Eye book:

https://www.louisbayard.com/pale-blue-eye

The Pale Blue Eye m...

"Mind Over Murder" hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley are joined by Robert Grey, longtime listener to the podcast who attended both Virginia Tech and William and Mary. We review his impressions of the August 2009 murders of Virginia Tech students Heidi Childs and David Metzler, as well as the Colonial Parkway Murders, and their impact on the college community. Can advanced DNA techniques solve the tragic case of two undergrads found shot to death in a place called Caldwell Fields?  How has the Virginia Tech community been touched so many times by senseless violence? Where does the Childs/Metzler investigation g...

"American Demon: Eliot Ness and the Hunt for America's Jack the Ripper" is the new book by New York Times bestselling author Daniel Stashower. Dan joins Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley for a fascinating discussion of an amazing unsolved case from Cleveland in the 1930's, after Eliot Ness had led "The Untouchables" to true crime notoriety. This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on October 31, 2022.

Good Reads: "American Demon: Eliot Ness and the Hunt for America's Jack the Ripper"

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59808343-american-demon

Daniel Stashower "...

Dan Harrington, Gil Harrington and Jane Lillian Vance, founders of "Help Save the Next Girl," join us to discuss the good work of their organization, founded after the brutal murder of Dan and Gil's 20 year old daughter Morgan Harrington in October 2009.  We talk about the book that Gil and Jane co-wrote, "Morgan Harrington: Murdered and Dead for Good: A Mother's Quest to Find a Serial Killer and Healing," as well as missing persons cases in Virginia, dealing with profound grief, and healing through service. This is part 2 of a two part episode of "Mind Over Murder."

Help Save t...

Join "Mind Over Murder" co-hosts Bill Thomas and Kristin Dilley as they discuss the "Engage with Empathy" campaign championed by Sarah Turney, Julie Murray and Kelsi German Siebert, all three siblings of murder victims. Can true crime podcasters, reporters and other users of social media interact with the families of murder victims in a more responsible and respectful manner? Are ethics in true crime too much to ask? Can we engage with empathy?  This bonus episode of "Mind Over Murder" originally ran on November 21, 2022.

Won't you help the Mind Over Murder podcast increase our visibility and shine the s...