Robot or Not?

Robot or Not?

By: John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Language: en

Categories: Society, Culture, Philosophy

Jason Snell asks John Siracusa to rule on the meaning of various words and concepts. It’s not just about robots anymore. Have a question for John? Email robot@theincomparable.com.

Episodes

Spiders and Other Bugs
Oct 27, 2025

Listener Kev needs us to unpack John’s comment about “spiders and other bugs.” Does that mean spiders are bugs? And what are the other bugs? Spooky!

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Duration: 00:02:44
Wire
Oct 13, 2025

Listener Matt can’t stand it when someone calls a USB cable a wire. But what does John think?

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Duration: 00:01:26
Landscaper
Sep 29, 2025

Who scapes the lands? Who gardens the gardens? Who mows and who blows? Not us!

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Duration: 00:02:23
Pasta Roundup
Sep 15, 2025

John fields some important questions about pasta from listeners Connor, Joshua, and Lee, including the definition of Al Dente and noodles versus pasta.

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Duration: 00:06:40
Vehicle
Sep 01, 2025

Listener Eric asks if vehicles are only motorized, and we ponder how small a thing can be before it’s not a vehicle anymore.

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Duration: 00:02:55
Glass
Aug 18, 2025

Can a drinking glass be made out of plastic? Or is it just a cup?

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Duration: 00:03:04
Parasol
Aug 04, 2025

Summer is in full swing, so Listener Ken has asked us to differentiate between umbrellas and parasols.

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Duration: 00:01:14
Market
Jul 21, 2025

Listener Marc ponders the “VR headset market” and wants to know what makes a market a market.

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Duration: 00:02:02
Charger
Jul 07, 2025

Listener Eric really needs his kids to differentiate between charger blocks and charging cables.

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Duration: 00:02:05
AI Hype
Jun 23, 2025

Listener Christian, your time has come. Is an AI Lock the same as a Smart Lock? Or a Fuzzy Logic Lock? When bicycle gear shifters are called “AI”, how do we define what any of this means? I know—let’s ask John.

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Duration: 00:04:18
Spacesuits
Jun 09, 2025

Listener Lorne asks what makes a spacesuit a spacesuit, and it gets complicated in a hurry.

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Duration: 00:04:50
10th Anniversary Episode
May 22, 2025

Let’s get back to basics. We celebrate our improbable 10th anniversary with a letter from Listener Scott, who has a lot of questions about his son’s book “Science Comics: Robots and Drones.”

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

Science Comics: Robots and Drones: Past, Present and Future

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Duration: 00:06:00
Bay Leaf
May 20, 2025

Listener Paul doubts the efficacy of the Bay Leaf. Host John ponders the longevity of Spices. Host Jason admits to keeping spices 15 years past their expiration dates.

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Duration: 00:04:31
Tech
May 05, 2025

Listener Jason (not host Jason) wants to know if “non-tech items” are really tech items.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

WVFRM: Our favorite ordinary objects!

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Duration: 00:03:08
Unanchored Buoys
Apr 22, 2025

Listener Ben asks: If a Buoy is unanchored and works hard to stay where it is, is it the Roomba of the seas?

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Robotic Buoys Make their Mark at 2024 Olympics

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Duration: 00:03:37
Mushroombot
Apr 07, 2025

Listener Jim wants John to weigh in on the story of the mushroom that was given a robot body, and while that does sound fascinating, the answer seems to be right there in the description.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Mushroom is Given a Robot Body and Runs Wild

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Duration: 00:03:47
Arc
Mar 22, 2025

Listener Victor brings us a question from another “or Not?” podcast about how many points are required to make something a story, episode, or character arc.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Risky or Not?

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Duration: 00:05:40
Flying
Mar 10, 2025

Listeners Joshua and Matthias want to know about flying in (or on) an airplane.

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Duration: 00:04:47
Gibson Robot Guitar
Feb 24, 2025

Listener Jason (not that one) wants to know if the Gibson Robot Guitar is just trying to jump on the robot bandwagon as a form of fancy marketing.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Gibson Robot Guitar

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Duration: 00:01:46
Sandwich Legal Update II
Feb 10, 2025

Two listeners have requested that we revisit recent court and podcast rulings regarding the definition of a sandwich. Also, Jason details his meager high-school lunch.

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Duration: 00:06:46
Roomba-like Items
Jan 27, 2025

In the end, the Grain Weevils and robot lawn mowers come for us all.

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Duration: 00:04:13
Console
Jan 13, 2025

Is a Game Boy a game console? What about a Switch? Can a handheld gaming device also be a console? What makes something a console?

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Duration: 00:03:04
Calendar Year
Dec 30, 2024

Listener Alexander has seen through the calendar’s deceptions and wants to know why any old day couldn’t be the start of a new year. When does the year begin in our hearts?

(Happy New Year, everyone!)

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

Death Cab for Cutie-inspired theme song by Host Jason in the spirit of “Transatlanticism.” It worked better than “The New Year,” okay?

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Duration: 00:02:24
Tipping
Dec 16, 2024

Listener Ben and his sister-in-law have come up with a sophisticated system of rules for when and when not to leave a gratuity. But someone else may have his own rules.

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Duration: 00:11:14
Sandwich Legal Update
Dec 02, 2024

Many listeners are concerned about recent legal rulings that suggest tacos and burritos are sandwiches. But we all know who the real voice of authority is.

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Duration: 00:06:29
Fan/Light
Nov 18, 2024

Listener Patrick is concerned about taxonomy, most particularly involving fans that are also lights.

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Duration: 00:02:00
Fast Food
Nov 04, 2024

There are so many different ways to define fast food. Is pizza fast food? Also, Jason has a story about the Shake Shake in the Minneapolis airport.

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Duration: 00:11:12
Window
Oct 21, 2024

I can see clearly now.

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Duration: 00:03:27
Henchman
Oct 07, 2024

As so often happens with us, discussions of evil henchman end up becoming discussions of legal employment status.

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Duration: 00:05:55
Relay Podcastathon Special 2024
Sep 25, 2024

Live from the Relay Podcastathon, Jason and special guest Casey Liss ask John a bunch of questions from the Robot Or Not question list.

Topics include: All-In-One computers, dates, pasta, and antique vs. retro.

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Show Notes & Links

Relay FM for St. Jude

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Duration: 00:15:49
Catchphrase
Sep 16, 2024

Oh, Listener Sean wants to know about catchphrases! Well, isn’t that special?

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Duration: 00:02:37
Homepods and Other Robots (or Not)
Sep 02, 2024

In a rare timely episode, John and Jason discuss a report from Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman that Apple is designing a series of robots, including a “robot” that sits on a table and moves its display around, and a “robot” that follows you around your house folding laundry, reminding you of your mortality, and possibly running a viral campaign for Apple TV+ shows.

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Duration: 00:08:39
Double Space
Aug 19, 2024

Listener Daniel would like John’s blessing for his practice of putting two spaces after every sentence he types.

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Duration: 00:03:50
Severe Weather
Aug 05, 2024

Listener Arne received a severe weather alert for a fire. Fires are very bad, but are they weather? Are some natural disasters weather, and others not?

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Duration: 00:02:48
Tea
Jul 22, 2024

Is “truffle mushroom tea” just a soup? Did a fancy New York restaurant play a trick on Listener David and his wife? And what is tea, really?

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Duration: 00:04:57
Hawaiian Shirts
Jul 08, 2024

Are Hawaiian shirts just fun to wear, or are they cultural appropriation?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

National Geographic: It’s OK to wear an Aloha shirt

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Duration: 00:05:42
Airport Wheelchair
Jun 24, 2024

Listener Erik sent us this video of self-navigating wheelchairs in the Miami Airport. Does the Roomba Rule apply?

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Duration: 00:02:56
Vending Machine
Jun 10, 2024

Friend of the show Frank is seeking to delineate when something is a “vending machine” and when it’s just a machine that vends.

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Duration: 00:03:28
El Camino
May 27, 2024

Thanks to Friend of the Show Casey, we’re talking about weird cars and car classes again.

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Duration: 00:04:02
Autonomous Excavator
May 16, 2024

Listener Ivan sent in a link to an autonomous excavator that assembled a six-foot wall out of rocks. Is it the Roomba of construction materials?!

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Show Notes & Links

Autonomous excavator constructs a six-metre-high dry-stone wall

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Duration: 00:02:39
Dishwashing Methods
Apr 29, 2024

A tale of dishwashers and large sinks.

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Duration: 00:07:34
Theme Songs / Skip Intro
Apr 15, 2024

We follow up on some feedback about our theme songs, and theme songs in general, while taking on whether we use the Skip Intro button when we should be listening to TV theme songs.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

End theme lyrics written and sung by Lex Friedman. 🐸

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Duration: 00:09:31
⚾️ Robot Umps ⚾️
Mar 28, 2024

It’s baseball’s Opening Day, so here’s our discussion of automated balls and strikes, also known as “Robot Umps,” how they relate to automated Hawk-Eye tennis calls, and why we won’t ever know how good human umpires could actually be.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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We May Never Find Out How Good Umpires Can Be

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Duration: 00:09:54
(Pizza) Pie
Mar 14, 2024

Fresh out of the oven for Pi Day, here’s a discussion of who exactly thinks pizza is a pie.

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Duration: 00:04:56
Places You've Been
Mar 04, 2024

Do you have to leave the airport or get out of the car to claim you’ve been somewhere? (And are you under oath?)

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Duration: 00:08:11
Killer Robot
Feb 19, 2024

Listener Kent is building actual killer robots.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:01:48
Hat
Feb 05, 2024

What makes a hat a hat?

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Show Notes & Links

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Duration: 00:04:02
Streets
Jan 22, 2024

I want to run, I want to hide, I want to tear down the walls that hold me inside. Sometimes the streets have no name, but other times they are named roads, or avenues, or boulevards, or drives. What does it all mean? Does Jason live on a road or a drive? When we go there, we go there with you. It’s all we can do.

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Duration: 00:12:50
Spatula
Jan 08, 2024

Spatulas, scrapers, flippers, and home economics.

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Duration: 00:05:44
Coffee
Dec 25, 2023

A question about cold brew coffee makes us question everything about coffee. Is everything coffee? Probably not.

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Duration: 00:03:12
Italian Ice
Dec 11, 2023

A perfectly normal discussion of Italian Ice takes a left turn and goes into outer space, where other ices are available.

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Duration: 00:06:35
Musician
Nov 27, 2023

When is someone a musician? Are DJs musicians? And more importantly, are John and Jason musicians?

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Duration: 00:10:50
Avoid All Robots
Nov 13, 2023

Some timely news regarding a university warning its community members to “avoid all robots.”

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

Jason: John, I’ve got some breaking robot related news, got a link literally just half an hour ago before we recorded this.

What are the chances? Because we only record this two or three times a year. From our friend Shelly, it’s a story on Ars Technica with a headline, Do Not Open Robots, warns Oregon State, amid college food delivery bomb prank. These are those co...

Duration: 00:04:45
Lies
Oct 30, 2023

On John’s other podcast, Casey Liss often says he lied when he means he made a mistake. So what is a lie? (Trust us, we totally answer this one.)

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Duration: 00:04:03
Spoiler Policy
Oct 16, 2023

Listener Nick wonders what John’s policy on spoilers is. (Spoilers for “Romeo and Juliet” and “Citizen Kane.”)

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Duration: 00:09:33
Nachos
Oct 02, 2023

Hold on, John, Jason’s got this one.

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Duration: 00:05:16
Relay FM Podcastathon Special
Sep 26, 2023

Live from the Relay FM Podcastathon, Jason and special guest Stephen Hackett ask John a bunch of questions from the Robot Or Not question list.

Topics include: Toast, Roadkill, Sandwich Order of Operations, Garage, and Cereal Soup.

Please donate to St. Jude and help move us one step closer to the day where no child dies from cancer.

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Duration: 00:14:17
Sigh
Sep 18, 2023

Listener Jamie wonders whether his dog is really sighing. We discuss noises dogs make. Also, after posting our previous episode we realized we got the numbering of the podcast out of order. Sigh.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:04:45
The Worst
Sep 04, 2023

Listener Andrew is worried that things we say are “the worst” are really just bad.

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Duration: 00:02:34
Hiatus
Aug 22, 2023

Listener Magnus is concerned that his favorite podcast is on hiatus. When is something on hiatus and when is it cancelled?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

Hello Internet: On Hiatus

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Duration: 00:03:56
AI Camerabot
Aug 07, 2023

Finally we talk about robots again. If a robot controls a camera, is it a camera robot?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

AI Camerabot video

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Duration: 00:08:23
Frown
Jul 24, 2023

☹️

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Duration: 00:04:07
Cookie Dough
Jul 07, 2023

If it’s never meant to make a cookie, is it still cookie dough? (Also: Peanut Butter Spread, Cheese Food, and other food labeling we have known.)

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

Cookie Dough Bites

Baking a cookie from Cookie Dough ice cream

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Duration: 00:10:03
Shade
Jun 26, 2023

This time we’re throwing shade. But do sunglasses?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

John, listener Andy wrote in to robot@theincomparable.com. You know, I say listener, maybe Andy doesn’t listen to the podcast at all, but for some reason submitted a question. I don’t want to assume, but probably a listener. Andy says, “As we head into the sunnier months of the year, I wonder what you define as shade. I think most people agree that trees and umbrellas provide shade, but do clouds provide...

Duration: 00:02:47
Keys
Jun 12, 2023

If any device can open a door, is every device a key?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

John, Lister Gabriel wrote into robot@theincomparable.com, which is the right place to do this, and said, “What is a key? Is a tag that opens my house door is a key? The app that unlocks the door of my building is a key? Or just those pieces of metal are considered keys? What makes something a key?”

Yeah, so the things with the, like the little, you know...

Duration: 00:03:48
Buildings
May 29, 2023

A chair is not a house and house is not a home, but is a house a building? And what about gazebos?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

John, we were having a discussion in the Incomparable member slack. People can become a member of the incomparable sport this podcast directly. This is not meant to be a member appeal. I’m just mentioning it in passing. And the question was about a building. We were talking about, we actually played D&D honestly, and we were talking about a...

Duration: 00:05:28
Dish v. Plate (revisited)
May 15, 2023

Jason’s trip to his mother’s house makes him rethink his definition of what a dish is. Also, he gets some upsetting news about the long-term relationship between the fork and the spoon.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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“Robot Or Not? (Boardwalk Mix)” performed by Lex Friedman (feat. Jason Snell). Parody lyrics by Jason and Lex.

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Duration: 00:09:54
Ports
May 01, 2023

Don’t anthromorphize ports. They hate that.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Jason: John, listener Chris wants to know about plugs.

He writes, “I’ve been taught that computer cables and ports are gendered to identify each side of the connection. The male end refers to the tab or protuberance and the female end is the cavity that receives the tab. For example, in the Lightning connection on Apple products, the cable is the male end and the devices contain the female end, except for the genera...

Duration: 00:08:26
Beach
Apr 17, 2023

Where do beaches exist? And what materials do they need to be comprised of?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:03:31
Island
Apr 03, 2023

The difference between islands and continents, and also why Pluto can be a planet if you want to lower your standards.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:06:50
Stepmom
Mar 20, 2023

Sometimes they’re wicked, sometimes not. Can an adult call a parent’s new wife a stepmom? Bonus: Can you be too old to be an orphan?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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John, listener Alesh wants to know, Alesh writes, “A certain person I know refers to her stepmom, someone her father married after she was an adult and living alone. This sounds odd to me. My intuition is that something like 16 is the tipping point. If my parents had divorced and one of them had remarried after that a...

Duration: 00:06:14
Ice
Mar 06, 2023

Listener Chris clues us into an important ice safety campaign.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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John, listener Christopher would like to know, he sent us a picture of ice, bagged ice from the store, and on it in the corner is a little logo from some ice association that says, “Ice is food!” John, is ice food? Thank you, Chris says, for bringing clarity to the universe. Thank you, listener Christopher. Is ice food?

My first point of contention is whether or not this litt...

Duration: 00:03:44
Shoes
Feb 20, 2023

Shoes, socks, sandals, boots. Footwear is complicated.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:06:18
University
Feb 06, 2023

What makes a university? Is it the buildings, or the people, or the big hole you throw money into?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:03:10
Friend of the Show
Jan 23, 2023

Listener Rob and Listener Reiner, who are not Director Rob Reiner, want to know if they are Friends of the Show.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:06:52
Happy New Year
Jan 09, 2023

Are we too late to say it?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:04:05
Roomba Update
Dec 26, 2022

Some deeper questions about whether certain Roomba behavior makes it more or less of a robot.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:05:28
Blaine the Mono
Dec 12, 2022

Blaine is a pain, and that is the truth.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Referenced Works

The Dark Tower (series)

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Show Notes & Links

Blaine the Mono (Dark Tower wiki)

Nozz-A-La

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Duration: 00:04:18
The Follow-Up Episode
Nov 28, 2022

For the very first time, we do some housekeeping about holes, Russian robots, salad, genocide, Voltron, and available sales leads.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:14:27
Garlic
Nov 14, 2022

Is garlic a vegetable, an herb, a spice, or what?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:06:06
Undead Zombie Spider Robots
Oct 31, 2022

Spooky!

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

Death Metal theme by Antony Johnston.

Scientists Turned Dead Spiders Into Undead Zombie Robots

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Duration: 00:05:40
Werewolves
Oct 17, 2022

If you’re a werewolf, are you a werewolf all the time?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

Cal Dress Your Pet Contest

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Duration: 00:04:10
House or Boat?
Oct 03, 2022

It’s a house, but it floats.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

'Our house is really a boat'

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Duration: 00:06:32
Wheels and Doors
Sep 19, 2022

Sometimes, everyone on the Internet wants John’s opinion.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

Doors vs Wheels debate

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Duration: 00:04:54
A Group of Robots
Sep 05, 2022

When robots flock together naturally, will humans give them a name? Or will we be too busy dying?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

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Duration: 00:02:46
Voltron
Aug 22, 2022

Many robots, one robot, or no robots?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:01:39
Holes in a Straw
Aug 08, 2022

Topology can be tricky.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:01:42
Monolith
Jul 25, 2022

It’s a big thing in the middle of nowhere. Does it need to be a rock to be a monolith?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

Mysterious monoliths

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Duration: 00:04:03
Electronic vs. Electric
Jul 11, 2022

When is something electronic, and when is it electric?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:03:23
Cameos
Jun 27, 2022

Is that just a really short acting part, or is it only a cameo?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:11:45
Stay-at-Home Moms
Jun 13, 2022

We salute all Moms, no matter their classification.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:04:49
Robot Loathing
May 30, 2022

Listener/Professor Lisa can handle conceptual analysis on her own, but she does wonder why campus delivery robots make her so angry. (It wasn’t just because they’re Russian.)

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

Russian Robot Deactivated

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Duration: 00:07:12
Pasta Draft
May 16, 2022

A bunch of baseball writers drafted pastas. John has thoughts.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Show Notes & Links

The baseball writer pasta draft

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Duration: 00:08:57
Magnetic Slime
May 02, 2022

Does texture matter when it comes to robots?

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Robot made of magnetic slime could grab objects inside your body

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Duration: 00:06:44
Stillsuits
Apr 18, 2022

Paul Atreides and the Fremen sure look cool, but won’t they die of hyperthermia in those suits?

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John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:05:04
CAPTCHAs of South African "robots"
Apr 04, 2022

Select all ROBOT RELATED PODCASTS.

If there are none, click Stop.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:04:22
Accents
Mar 21, 2022

John has one, but also doesn’t have one. Mary married some merry carrots.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:14:52
Friendship
Mar 07, 2022

Listener Ashley wants to know about the true meaning of friendship.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:05:23
America
Feb 21, 2022

Why do Americans crowd out the rest of two continents from the namespace? John thinks it’s about imperialism; Jason thinks it’s because our country has no proper name.

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

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Duration: 00:05:13
Semi-Homemade Cooking with John Siracusa
Feb 07, 2022

Listener Scott wants to know what “homemade” cooking is. Jason made this episode from scratch. (But the theme song was store-bought.)

John Siracusa and Jason Snell

Show Notes & Links

Semi-Homemade Cooking with Sandra Lee

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Duration: 00:15:16