Ministry Without Hating It
By: Chad Garrison & Brenton Hill
Language: en-us
Categories: Religion, Spirituality, Christianity, Business, Non-profit, Education, Self Improvement
Is it possible to do ministry without hating it? We have a theory that it just might be. Join us in our pursuit to answer this question through the stories of ministry leaders who have been where you're at, and pick up the wisdom they've earned in the trenches of their own ministry journeys.
Episodes
#52: Don’t Hit Cruise Control | Stop Paying Your Insecurity Bill feat. Chad Halverson
Dec 15, 2025Is it possible to get to a place in ministry where things seem easy, and less challenging? Bi-vocational Pastor, Chad Halverson, says, “Yes”. But it’s not the promised land that you might think. In this episode, Chad recalls the major shift he experienced going from only ever being in full-time vocational ministry to moving cross country twice within a year, picking up two marketplace jobs, and all the lessons he is still learning from stepping outside of the insecurity of what is "safe".
You’re getting two Chad’s for the price of one for this season’s f...
Duration: 01:11:04#51: Which Bull in the Draw? | The Adventure of God’s Church feat. Jesse Lambert
Nov 15, 2025Ministry is a lot like bull riding. Each day you wake up, and you never know which bull you’re gonna get. In this episode Pastor and Church Planter, Jesse Lambert, unpacks the adventure that has been his journey to serve God’s Church. Jesse talks about how he’s learned to walk out practically, “this is God’s church, made up of hurting people and I am a tool to bring healing.” And that journey may not take you to where you thought you were going.
We’re doin’ the blue for this one, so let’s get at it!
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Duration: 01:17:20#50: Never on a Hill Alone | Learning to Lay It Down feat. Timmy Hensel
Oct 15, 2025If the Lord asked you to lay everything down tomorrow, could you do it? It’s a self-awareness leveling question our guest, Pastor Timmy Hensel, now asks frequently. In this episode Timmy shares how he had never experienced what feels like and means to lay everything down until he recently took a sabbatical. Leaders, you have permission to rest. And this isn’t just for your benefit–laying things down empowers others and ultimately builds our future together.
Timmy also drops some pastoral alliteration like a pro–you gotta hear it!
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Duration: 01:13:08#49: Stand in the Gap | A Long Obedience in NextGen Ministry feat. Joe Martin
Sep 30, 2025There’s nothing harder than serving the NextGen Ministry. At least according to our guest, Pastor Joe Martin. In this episode, Joe shares how being a second generation NextGen focused Pastor isn’t just a role, but a continued obedience to God’s call in his life. Together we unpack the challenges and current trends of NextGen ministry, and discuss how getting back to the basics will reach the next generation. We’re bringin’ the serious ‘stache to this one, so listen up!
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To connect further with Joe at lifebridgechu... Duration: 01:13:28#48: Imagination Building | A Soul Check feat. BrianJames McMahon
Sep 15, 2025How do we combat stagnation, cultivate fresh vision and lead others to experience God in fresh ways? What if we told you it has a lot to do with the creativity you unlock through the building of your own imagination? In this episode, BrianJames McMahon once again returns to unpack the practice of widening the capacity of what we see and engage through our imaginations. This practice not only expands the parameters of how much of God we experience ourselves, but also in how we lead others in experiencing God in fresh, new ways.
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Duration: 00:40:20#47: Your Voice is Important | Nonexclusive Image-bearers of Christ feat. Melissa Brotherton
Aug 15, 2025This probably goes without saying, but: We believe in Women in Ministry Leadership. That said, in this episode Pastor Melissa Brotherton shares her ministry journey as a female Lead Pastor has formed her ministry as denominational Women’s Mobilizer. Melissa candidly unpacks the psychological, sociological and theological challenges women in ministry face, while speaking encouragement to men and women alike to be functioning together as image-bearers of Christ.
We may have also brought new meaning to the term, “sheep trauma”.
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Tempered Resilience by Todd Bolsinger Foursquare Women’s Mobilize... Duration: 01:00:41#46: The Power of Lament | A Soul Check feat. BrianJames McMahon
Jul 30, 2025Ministry leaders will experience levels of pain, grief and relational struggle that most others will not–it just comes with the territory. What if instead of powering through, withdrawing from or finding ways to cope, we just took time to lament it instead? In this Soul Check episode, our friend BrianJames McMahon returns to unpack how powerful lament can be in our ministry journeys.
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Church Well Co WebsiteBrianJames Therapy WebsiteSLOW JournalConnect further with Brian James at Instagram: @brianjamesmcmahon @church_well_coGuest Bio:
BrianJames McM...
Duration: 00:33:36#45: Resenting Easter | A Shop Talk About Ministry Holidays & Events
Jul 15, 2025Did that get your attention? No, this episode isn’t an anti-easter manifesto. It’s a roundtable discussion on the highs and lows, pros and cons and practical approaches to the ministry calendar–specifically the big holidays and ministry events. Let’s talk about the pain points that come along with these, and how we can experience fruitfulness in events without hating it.
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Gloo Text Message ResourceConnect w/ Billy at http://innovationchurch.ccGuest Bio:
Billy Holden has has served in ministry leadership for 20 years. Bi...
Duration: 00:55:07#44: There’s Grace For That | Formation > Ministry Assignment feat. Sal & Krystal Bono
Jun 15, 2025Have you ever said, “I am going to make this work, or die trying”? According to Pastors Sal & Krystal Bono, that’s probably the worst thing you can say within ministry. In this episode, the Bonos get candid about the pain from messy transitions, the death of a ministry dream and even being houseless for a season. But through all of these humbling experiences, Sal & Krystal also share the hope they have found to keep going by realizing, “there’s grace for that.”
Also, the episode’s final score is Sal 1 - Krystal 1000.
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Duration: 01:22:01#43: I Called You to Serve My House | Keeping Ministry Simple feat. Jordan Wall
May 15, 2025If God chooses the foolish things to shame the wise, then what does that say about me? According to Pastor Jordan Wall, it’s actually pretty simple. In this episode Jordan shares how his story formed a simple approach to his ministry, regardless of the assignment, and how that shifts the fluctuations of ministry from targets to dashboards. Simple.
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Connect further with Jordan at revitalizechurch.lifeGuest Bio:
Jordan Wall is a husband and father of four, with over 20 years of experience in full-time mini...
Duration: 01:12:49#42: Get Into Somebody’s Orbit | Ministering & Being Ministered To feat. Johnny McCallister
Apr 15, 2025Statistically, the number of ministry leaders struggling with their identity, calling and confidence in ministry is growing, and they are feeling more and more isolated. In this episode, Pastor and Executive Director Johnny McCallister unpacks how ministry leaders need each other more than ever before. Johnny shares keys for resiliency learned from over 30 years of ministry, tools for ministering to others, and what it looks like to allow yourself to be ministered to as well.
We also discover that Johnny & Chad have the same sandwich order, which of course means they’re now best friends–Enjoy this one...
Duration: 01:20:39#41: Stewarding People | Discipling, Developing & Deploying Others feat. Beth Hackbarth
Mar 15, 2025How does knowing who you’ve been created to be as a leader directly impact your effectiveness in discipling others? Pastor and denominational leader, Beth Hackbarth, sits down for a conversation with us to share how her own journey of self-discovery opened up a new level for her in leading others. In this episode, we also talk about what the long game of developing people and leaders in our care looks like, and the impacts of being less loosy-goosy and more strategic in our approach to disciple formation.
We may have also created a spin-off podcast for Bre...
Duration: 01:17:25#40: Add “Interim” to Your Job Title | Integrated Missiology feat. Peter Henderson
Feb 15, 2025Is it your “ministry”, or your “mission assignment”? Distinguishing this small, yet profound detail has made all the difference for our guest, Pastor Peter Henderson. In this episode, Peter shares how being a survivor of the Columbine thrust him into Pastoral Ministry as a teen–leading him to become a Senior Pastor in his 20’s, the wisdom gained from being a young leader in a healthy transition, and how his passion for being on mission together with Jesus creates a culture of integrated missiology.
Also, Peter doesn’t like to be poked, and many apologies are made. So give it a li...
Duration: 01:16:16#39: Rest on the Fact of Freedom | Persistence & Reimagining Ministry feat. Jared Ballenger
Jan 15, 2025We’re back! And for our first episode of Season Four we’re visited by Pastor and Non-Profit Leader, Jared Ballenger. In this conversation Jared shares why the word “ministry” has always been spelled “w-o-r-k” (and how that’s not a negative thing), finding freedom on the other side of burnout and the incredible work of rescuing children from human trafficking that he gets to be a part of with Destiny Rescue. It’s a chill interview, so sit down with us!
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#38: Renegades, Not Rebels | Reframing Your Questions with Ministry Pain feat. BrianJames McMahon
Dec 17, 2024At its core, experiencing pain simply means that something is off. And oftentimes, we think pain is bad. And sometimes it is. And sometimes it can be really useful. In our Season 3 Finale, therapist and pastor, BrianJames McMahon, unpacks for us how being honest and lamenting his own pain changed everything for him–including stepping out of vocational ministry. It’s possible to not fear pain, wrestle with lament, and bravely face the possibility of leaving a ministry, with hope–and without hating it.
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#37: So, We Can Hate It? | Ministry Without Apathy feat. Tim Lee
Nov 30, 2024As ministry leaders, there are things about ministry that we hate, and that’s ok. It only took us 37 episodes to get to that, but here we are for a conversation with pastor, professor, fellow podcaster and friend, Tim Lee. In this episode Tim gets reflective on his own recent journey of deconstructing what ministry is vs. what he’s always known, the truth that we are still not healthy after all that happened in 2020, and why apathy is actually the greatest threat to anything we do. It’s a real iron vs. iron conversation!
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#36: Soul Check | The Journey of Sexual Purity feat. Robby Booth
Nov 15, 2024As leaders, we must face the reality that we will all journey with sexual sin and purity, whether personally, and/or with others. In this episode, Robby Booth breaks down how this journey isn’t just about sex, but rather about wounded-ness in hearts. Robby also gives practical tools to combat treating our sexuality like soup, and living fully in the transformation God gives. Don’t give up your birthright!
It’s time for a Soul Check, an open discussion with ministry leaders and mental health specialists focused on reinforcing the most important part of you–your soul!
Duration: 01:03:41
#35: It May Be the Last Time | Perspective & Joy for Hard Ministry feat. Zach & Caitlin Thomas
Oct 15, 2024How do you keep the “why” of ministry at the forefront of your ministry? Sometimes it takes a healthy dose of perspective of another leader’s reality. This episode with NextGen Leaders, Zach & Caitlin Thomas, may be one of those moments. In this interview they share how they’ve been able to see fruit in their inner city student ministries, the gospel burden every ministry leader should carry, and the importance of stepping back and saying, “But Look What God Did!” We also finally answer the debate of which city is actually the real “Little Chicago”.
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#34: Follow Your Rabbi | The Practice of People Over Performance feat. Marty Schminkey
Sep 15, 2024How does a failed hunting trip transform the way you minister to others? In this episode our guest, Pastor Marty Schminkey, pulls no punches in sharing how God has used moments like these to change the trajectory of his heart, and ultimately the way he leads others. With authenticity, Marty unpacks how the way he serves, loves and bleeds with others is directly tied to the level of which he practices presence with his Rabbi. We’re shootin’ straight with this one!
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#33: Just Show Up | As You Go, I Will Show feat. Nina Sims
Aug 15, 2024Do you ever feel unqualified, or under-equipped as a leader? Well good news, you're not alone! In this episode Pastor and Church Planter, Nina Sims, shares with us how her motto of "Just Show Up" is a daily exercise in courage and confidence in the belief that God placing you in leadership was not an accident. And as you show up, God will too.
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Guest Bio:
Pastor Nina Sims is a devoted servant o...
#32: Soul Check | The Lord’s Prayer for Leaders Pt. 2 feat. Robby Booth
Jul 24, 2024It’s time for a Soul Check, an open discussion with ministry leaders and mental health specialists focused on reinforcing the most important part of you–your soul! In this episode we get Part 2 of our discussion with our friend, Robby Booth, breaking down the practicalities of Healing and Strengthening the Ministry Leader’s soul through the Lord’s Prayer.
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Guest Bio:
Robby Booth alongside his wife, Bonita, presently serves the NCO as the direc...
#31: Soul Check | The Lord’s Prayer for Leaders Pt. 1 feat. Robby Booth
Jul 10, 2024Today we unbox a new episode type we’re adding to the MWH mix, Soul Check. These episodes will be an open discussion with ministry leaders and mental health specialists focused on reinforcing the most important part of you–your soul! In this episode we get Part 1 of our discussion with our friend, Robby Booth, breaking down the practicalities of Healing and Strengthening the Ministry Leader’s soul through the Lord’s Prayer. Part 2 releases on July 24!
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Duration: 00:30:05#30: Reconciling Your Story | Getting Honest With Yourself feat. Molly DuQue
Jun 15, 2024Jesus cares more about who I am, than what I do. Pastor and Foursquare Leader, Molly DuQue, shares with us that realizing this truth starts with being honest with yourself. In this episode, Molly unpacks how growing in her self-awareness has shifted ministry to simply “living out the work that Jesus is doing in me,” and how that has made all the difference in her journey. So sit back and join us as DJ Mega-Molly spins for us tracks from her Ocean of Tears B-side!
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-- Enneagram Institute - Pers...
#29: Get Into the Offering Plate | Seeing Every Moment as an Opportunity feat. Tim Wimberly
May 15, 2024When you define ministry, is the first thing you think of, “your life”? It is for this episode’s guest, Pastor and Missions Worker, Tim Wimberly. But Tim’s response doesn’t come from an overly spiritual place, but rather from witnessing first hand God’s faithfulness through 38+ years of a life given to ministry. Tim unpacks how he’s been able to keep going, how he uniquely translates metrics for success, and why he has no problem rocking a mullet.
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The Backside of Hope: Leaving a Legacy for the Next Generat... Duration: 01:05:13#28: Professional Christians | Avoiding a Vocational Relationship With Your Creator feat. Andy Sloan
Apr 15, 2024Have we become professional Christians, abiding in church-ianity? We unpack what this means with our guest, Pastor Andy Sloan. With honesty and humor, Andy shares how he’s learned [the hard way] that being radically on mission is simpler than we may recognize, the practicalities of living out calling, and also what he considers to be his favorite scent.
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Guest Bio:
Andy Sloan is a pastor in Denver, Colorado. Him and his wif...
#27: Don’t Grow Weary | Elevating Self-Awareness for Longevity in Ministry feat. Bill Campbell
Mar 15, 2024Do I need to step back from ministry, or is it an opportunity to pull myself up by the bootstraps and keep going? In this episode, Pastor Bill Campbell shares how growing with intentionality in self-awareness has helped him distinguish between the two in the course of his decades in ministry. It’s a vulnerable conversation about learning from your mistakes, leading from healing instead of pain, and understanding clearly who you are as a leader to better lead others.
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#26: The Sacredness of Shepherding | Hard Knocks of Real Humility feat. Suzie Genin
Feb 15, 2024What’s the biggest obstacle a leader will face within ministry? Recognizing that it’s, “Not about you.” In this episode, Pastor Suzie Genin gets real (and has fun) with her journey of learning humility the hard way, becoming equipped as you equip others, and seeing every invited opportunity to minister as sacred…and also calling out Chad’s questionable, past fashion choices. We hit it all in this one, so fire it up!
Guest Bio:
Suzie Genin is an energetic speaker who is passionate about her family and her community. Possessing a courageous ability to lead through...
#25: The Steward Leader | Stewarding the Me HE's Given Me to Be feat. Gary Dunahoo
Jan 15, 2024New Year, New Vision--or is it? Executive Coach and Pastor, Gary Dunahoo, kicks off Season 3 by positing the question, "What if we could be more present today, trusting that God is going to lead us forward tomorrow?" Through his own experiences and learned wisdom, Gary unpacks practically, what it means to be a leader who stewards all they've been given today, and following where God is leading next.
Guest Bio:
Gary Dunahoo is an impassioned believer in the ability to advance human potential in both business and everyday life. A highly skilled and engaging coach, program...
#24: Not a Two for One | Unpacking the Dynamics of Ministry With Your Spouse feat. Roundtable Discussion with Ministry Couples
Dec 15, 2023Ministry as an individual is one thing, but ministry as a couple is another level. In our stacked Season Two finale, we add Lindsay Garrison, and Dustin and Joanna Black to the ongoing conversation of navigating ministry with your spouse. Together, we unpack the hard earned wisdom gained in clarifying spouse vs. ministry roles, ministry expectations, relational losses, family dynamics and lots more. It's all still a work in progress, but you can do ministry without hating each other.
Guest Bios:
Lindsay Garrison graduated from the University of Nevada Las Vegas in 2006 with a...
#23: Creativity is Vital | Flourishing Ministry Through Embracing Creatives feat. Bob Hunt
Nov 15, 2023When we allow ministry to become task driven, one of the easiest things to lose sight of is the creative expression that is inherent to our Creator. In this episode, we sit down for a fun conversation with minister and FMP Director, Bob Hunt. Bob unpacks for us the importance of creativity within ministry, how it affects everyone involved in the creative process, and how even those leaders who don't feel creative personally, can be--and find a new level of flourishing.
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#22: Expect Only To Serve | Living & Leading With Hands Open feat. Kimberly Dirmann
Oct 15, 2023How do you achieve success in ministry? Become a servant to all. In this episode, Pastor Kimberly Dirmann recounts how God has moved her from a perfectionist people-pleaser focused on outcomes, to recognizing success in simply doing what God says, and not holding on too long. Kimberly also unpacks what cultivating love for people (even difficult ones) looks like practically, and how to avoid being a Saul to the David’s in your ministry.
Guest Bio:
Kimberly Dirmann was born in Colombia, South America, and lived in Colombia until she was 10. She has been ma...
#21: Givin’ the Love Tap | Navigating Healthy Conflict Resolution feat. Robby Booth
Sep 29, 2023Conflict within relationship is unavoidable, but healthy resolution doesn’t come naturally. In this BONUS! episode, Pastor, Chaplain and Therapist, Robby Booth, returns for an extended conversation on pursuing healthy conflict resolution within the relationships every leader holds, and unpacks learned wisdom in seeing relationships strengthened on the other side of conflict.
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#20: They’re Not “Less Than” | Creating Opportunities Instead of Filling Holes in NextGen Ministry feat. Tami Jones
Sep 15, 2023It’s the most important ministry within the church, and yet it’s oftentimes the most overlooked. In this episode we sit down for a conversation with Pastor and NextGen Denominational Leader, Tami Jones, on ministry to the Next Generation (NextGen). Tami unpacks for us trends in NextGen Ministry, best practices for NextGen Leaders, wisdom in leading NextGen Leaders on your team, and of course, how to escape from a blender if you were suddenly a No. 2 pencil. Let's GOOO!
Guest Bio:
Tamara (Tami) Jones resides in the beautiful state of Nebraska with her husb...
#19: Where the Sticky Gets Lost | Going From Intuitive to Intentional in Your Relationships feat. Robby Booth
Aug 15, 2023Our ministries are an overflow of our relationships. In this episode Pastor, Chaplain and Therapist , Robby Booth, unpacks the wisdom he's gained in his over 80,000 hours of counseling with ministry leaders and couples. We discuss combatting the false beliefs that hurt relationships, healthy ministry/relationship priorities and practical steps we can take individually to be intentional in growing in our relationships.
Click Here For Robby's 10 Steps for Relational Intentionality
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#18: Shop Talk: Sermonizing | Simplifying the Planning, Composing & Delivery of Sermon Messages feat. a Roundtable Discussion
Jul 14, 2023Happy Summer! For this month's episode, we're excited to introduce a new episode format we are adding to the mix titled "Shop Talk", where we'll do just that--talk shop on a variety of ministry specific topics. For our first Shop Talk, we sit down with pastors Billy Holden and Dustin Black for a roundtable discussion on taking the grind out of planning and prepping, best practices in message collaboration, the freedom of the year long message calendar and wisdom earned the hard way from years of writing and delivering sermons.
Guest Bios:
Billy Holden...
#17: Wait 60 Minutes to Call 911 | Ministry vs. Vocation Without Blowing Up The Church feat. Dustin Black
Jun 15, 2023Am I a Pastor, or the CEO of a Small Nonprofit? It's a question that this episode's guest, Pastor Dustin Black, has wrestled with in recent years. Join us for this interview as Dustin deconstructs ministry as a vocation verses ministry as what the leader has been created to do, and also how this simple truth has transformed his ministry and created vibrant community within it.
Guest Bio:
Dustin Black is a Husband, Father to three amazing kids, Barista at a coffee shop, chaplain for local police department, and just started the journey of...
#16: Not the Hero of This Story | Facing Addiction & the Journey Towards Healthier feat. Bob Vander Meer
May 15, 2023Addiction. As leaders we will either walk with those caught up in it, or find ourselves facing our own. In this episode, we have a raw and real conversation with Bob Vander Meer, a Pastor and Clinician for Pure Desire Ministries. Bob shares about his own journey with sexual addiction with honesty and vulnerability, wisdom to leaders struggling with addiction and the opportunities ministry leaders have to walk with others in the lifelong process of recovery.
Guest Bio:
Robert is a clinician at Pure Desire Ministries, pastor, and businessman. Not always in this order...
#15: A Wrench Can Be a Hammer | Thriving in the Adventure of Church Planting feat. Paul & Janice Rice
Apr 14, 2023"What you invest is what you will reap, and what you put up with is what you’ll end up with." In this episode, we have a conversation with Paul & Janice Rice, who have planted and pastored Riverside Community Church for over 20 years! In this interview they unpack the joy of being a bi-vocational pastor (seriously!), the roller coaster that is the church planting experience, and all that goes into leading the same church they started all these years--and loving it more each day!
Guest Bio:
Paul and Janice Rice share a love for pa...
#14: Know Your Lane | Confidence in Who You're Called to Be & Who You're Called To feat. Esperanza Morphis
Mar 15, 2023It is one thing to hold a ministry position of leadership, but it's another to believe you're exactly who God should have placed there--especially when it doesn't go the way you thought it would!
In this episode Pastor and Denominational leader, Esperanza Morphis, gives candid insight from her recent, unexpected season of ministry role transition, and how it revealed an unhealthy source of significance within her identity. Esperanza also unpacks how "knowing your lane" with your Creator practically plays out in times of disappointment, self-doubt as well as seasons of fruitfulness and flourishing.
Guest...
#13: A Spectrum of Obedience | Living at Peace, Even If My Decisions Frustrate Others feat. Trey Abney
Feb 15, 2023"Ministry is never done, and I will disappoint people." In this candid conversation, Pastor and Leadership Coach Trey Abney, unpacks what it means and looks like practically to live and lead with an inner peace that is not influenced or effected by the uncertainty, the expectations or the drama that exists outside of you.
Guest Bio:
Trey Abney serves as the Senior Pastor of EQUIP Church. Trey is energized through life-coaching, teaching leadership, encouraging hurting pastors, and enabling church teams to regain ministry vision. He utilizes the Emotionally Healthy Leadership material to promote both...
#12: Confessions of a Pastor's Kid | Navigating & Growing in Your Ministry at Home feat. A PK Roundtable Discussion
Jan 13, 2023Ministry is tough, but it can be even tougher on the ministry leader's kids. In our Season Two Premiere, we sit down for a candid conversation with three PK's (Pastor's Kids), two of them adults, one still a "kid", and unpack the highs, lows and burdens the children of ministry leaders experience that most people aren't aware of.
Guest Bios:
Jeniffer Burch graduated from Capri Cosmetology College in 1999 with a degree in Cosmetology Arts and Sciences, she was a Master Stylist and a Color Specialist. Jen has been the Hospitality Coordinator since 2010...
#11: Not a Bait & Switch | Owning Your Story, Community in the Digital Space & Chicken Sandwiches feat. Drew Dodd & Fred Schmitt
Nov 22, 2022For our Season One Finale, we join forces with Fred Schmitt and Drew Dodd, ministry leaders and also hosts of The Next Forty Podcast, for a crossover interview about creating community in the digital space, chicken sandwiches, Britney Spears and coming to a place of owning your story--the good, the bad and also the ridiculous.
As they say on their podcast, “it’s sometimes funny, sometimes serious, but always good”. We think you'll walk away from this one entertained and encouraged in your own ministry story.
Check Out The Next Forty Podcast and Connec...
#10: Stewards For a Moment In Time | Pillars For Living Well Learned As A Hospice Chaplain feat. Jim McGuire
Nov 09, 2022Why do we do what we do? When the challenges of ministry come, and they will, remembering the answer to this question is crucial to being able to walk through the challenges well.
Our guest for this episode is Pastor Jim McGuire, who has served as a Hospice Chaplain for over 22 years. In our discussion Jim shares the "pillars" of living well he has learned that were taught to him by those who were dying. It's a candid and practical conversation on how we can love the ministry we serve by keeping our perspective properly...
#9: Ministry Without Hating, ME? | Getting Past the Insecurity & Self-Loathing of Leadership feat. Lindsay Garrison
Oct 25, 2022Most ministry leaders will say have some sense of "calling" they can point to for being in the ministry they are serving. But in pursuing wholeness, leaders need to go beyond, or beneath their call and consider less holy reasons for going into ministry.
In this episode pastor and licensed therapist, Lindsay Garrison, addresses the root of many insecurities that ministry leaders wrestle with, and shares how she has learned to move beyond self-loathing and embrace her true calling.
Guest Bio:
Lindsay Garrison graduated from the University of Nevada Las...
#8: Pastoral Grit | Staying Encouraged & Resilient in Ministry Leadership feat. Loren Houltberg
Oct 04, 2022If there was ever a word that accurately sums up what is needed to be a ministry leader, "Grit" does it well.
Ministry is not something for the thin-skinned or weak of heart. It requires courage, resolve and strength of character in the face of adversity--otherwise known as, Grit. In this episode, seasoned Pastor and Leader, Loren Houltberg, shares key practices that have helped him foster resiliency in his 40+ years of pastoral ministry.
Guest Bio:
Loren and Erie Houltberg were pastors of Emmanuel Foursquare Church from 1980-2020. Loren has Masters degree from F...
#7: Are you, Ok? | Lessons Learned & Wisdom Earned From My First Year in Charge of Everything feat. Gary Roca
Sep 20, 2022Taking the reins of leadership in ministry, especially when it's for the first time, can be quite a challenge. Is it possible in the midst of the messiness of starting a new ministry leadership assignment to stay sane?
In this episode, we sit down with Pastor Gary Roca to debrief with him on completing his first year of leading as a Senior Pastor, for the first time for him in ministry. Through the highs, lows and navigating church cultural changes, Gary has learned some profound lessons, in a short amount of time, that ministry leaders...
#6: Making Peace With Jerks | The Multifaceted Art of Dealing With Conflict & Criticism Within Ministry feat. Dr. Daniel Mundt
Sep 06, 2022In ministry, you will inevitably encounter conflict, and ultimately your ministry will be evaluated by how you deal with conflict.
In this episode, Dr. Daniel Mundt, National Coach for the Foursquare Church, shares the leadership lessons and wisdom he's gained through conflict, confrontation and criticism within ministry. Using practical examples from his own ministry journey, Dan shares what it actually looks like to be a peacemaker--even with jerks.
Guest Bio:
Daniel Mundt serves as a National Coach for The Foursquare Church. Before accepting the role of coach in 2021, Daniel served...
006: Discomfort is Being Still | Waiting on God Goes Deeper Than Just Getting Direction feat. Jorge Flores
Aug 23, 2022For most ministry leaders, if we aren't doing or accomplishing something we feel unproductive or like we're failing. However, that mindset actually drives you away from the ministry you're engaged in.
In this episode, our conversation with Pastor and Missionary to Panama, Jorge Flores, gets real and raw as he discusses the consequences of not 'Being Still & Knowing God' that he's experienced in his marriage, family and ministry. For Jorge, he's learned the wisdom of a better way to rest in the identity he has in Christ, and lead from that place in ministry.
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#5: Not Even 100% Beef | Creating the Change You Want to See feat. Billy Holden
Aug 02, 2022The only thing that's constant, is change. Yet most people don't like (or possibly HATE?) it at all. This holds true especially in ministry, and more often then we want to admit, our leadership within our ministries.
In this episode, Billy Holden, Lead Pastor of Innovation Church in Lafayette, IN discusses how he has learned to be fueled by change, whether it be expected or unexpected, and seeing these moments as opportunities to innovate.
Guest Bio:
Billy has has served in ministry leadership for 20 years. Billy and his wife Mandy...
#4: All the Legos on the Same Table | Co-Leading in Ministry and Still Liking Each Other feat. Justin & Janae Klatt
Jul 12, 2022Ministry is not meant to be done apart from your relationships. When agreement between ministry couples is missing, the shared ministry will suffer and the relationship is headed for trouble.
In this episode, Pastors and Church Planters, Justin & Janae Klatt, unpack the unique dynamic of Co-leading in ministry. Through sharing about their church planting journey, the Klatt's discuss how they've learned to lead together, and still like each other at the end of the day.
Guest Bio:
Justin & Janae live in Gilbert, AZ with their 2 daughters ZoëJane (13) and MacCallum H...
#3: Beware the Pedestal | How to Avoid Being a "Ministry Hero" feat. Christina Hernandez
Jun 28, 2022Everyone is looking for a hero. But trying to fulfill the "Ministry Hero Spot" is a blueprint to hating your ministry and losing your own identity.
In this episode, speaker and nonprofit founder, Christina Hernandez, tells her story of tragedy and the heartbreaks that have shaped her own pursuit of authentic leadership. Christina also unpacks for us the practicalities of leading from vulnerability, transparency and true authenticity that knocks over the pedestal others try to put us on.
Guest Bio:
Christina Hernandez is a passionate follower of Jesus, a wife...
#2: A Rediscovered Love For People | Cultivating Unity Within Your Ministry Starts With You feat. Jeff Watts
Jun 14, 2022In a world that continues to trend towards increasing divisiveness, the task of implementing and cultivating unity gets harder each day for leaders.
Pursuing unity within our ministries, and with those we are leading is something that is often talked about, even preached about--but what does that really look like? In this episode, Jeff Watts, Lead Pastor of Renaissance in Decatur, IL, get's pretty real with us about what is actually required of the ministry leader first, before we can ever see unity within those we are leading.
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#1: Fine is a Four-letter Word | Bearing the Fruit of Joy in Ministry feat. Brenton Hill
May 31, 2022If we seek to LOVE the ministry we lead for the long haul, we'd better get real in bearing the fruit of JOY.
For our very first episode, we wanted to "set the table" for what's to come, but start off by interviewing show producer and pastor, Brenton Hill, on the subject of keeping Joy within our ministry. Through this candid conversation, you'll find that intentionally pursuing and cultivating joy makes all the difference in where you find yourself in your ministry today.
Guest Bio:
Brenton has served in ministry l...