It Was Almost Real: The Pro Wrestling History Podcast

It Was Almost Real: The Pro Wrestling History Podcast

By: kenzimmermanjr

Language: en

Categories: Sports, Wrestling

Podcast about professional wrestling history from 1870 to 1920.

Episodes

Episode 106 - Hotlanta
Oct 27, 2025

In this episode, I discuss one of the first regular Atlanta cards in February 1926. I end the podcast with bonus content about famed hooker Ad Santel.

Duration: 00:30:35
Episode 105 - Feats of Strength
Oct 20, 2025

In this episode, I discuss 19th Century pioneer wrestler Sorakichi Matsuda, the first Japanese professional wrestler in the United States.

Duration: 00:36:54
Episode 104 - Studyin' and Learnin'
Oct 13, 2025

In this episode, I discuss misconceptions that I had going into writing projects. I also discuss discoveries and things that shocked me.

Duration: 01:12:07
Episode 103 - Santel Slams
Oct 06, 2025

In this episode, I discuss one of the greatest "hookers" of all time, Ad Santel. I also discuss how Clash of Champions 9 demonstrated all the warts of WCW in 1989.

Duration: 00:52:37
Episode 102 - We're Supposed to be Working!
Sep 29, 2025

In this episode, I discuss an out-of-control exhibition between Clarence Whistler and Andre Christol in 1882

Duration: 00:31:06
Episode 101 - That Pesky Kayfabe
Sep 22, 2025

In this episode, I discuss three cases that led to police arresting wrestlers.

Duration: 00:43:02
Episode 100 - Jim Londos and St. Louis
Sep 15, 2025

In this episode, I discuss Jim Londos importance to the St. Louis promotion as well as St. Louis' importance to the development of Jim Londos.

Duration: 01:26:11
Episode 99 - Verne Was a Mark for Verne
Sep 01, 2025

In this episode, I review The Wrestler (1974) and discuss the 1891 wrestling match between former American Heavyweight Wrestling Champion Joe Acton and future World Heavyweight Boxing Champion Bob Fitzsimmons.

Duration: 00:32:17
Episode 98 - Watch the Promoter
Aug 25, 2025

In this episode, we discuss a potential double-cross in 1916.

Duration: 00:48:11
Episode 97 - Earliest Working Group?
Aug 18, 2025

In this episode, I discuss a possible circuit of working collar-and-elbow wrestlers in the 1860s and 1870s.

Duration: 00:44:24
Episode 96 - Wladek, 1913 to 1915
Aug 04, 2025

In this episode, I will be discussing the other Zbyszko, Wladek Zbyszko, and his early days in America between 1913 and 1915.

Duration: 00:57:58
Episode 95 - The Hulkster
Jul 28, 2025

In this episode, I discuss the recent passing of Hulk Hogan. I also name who I think the most comparable historical wrestler is to Hogan.

Duration: 00:36:43
Episode 94 - Rubbing His Face In It
Jul 21, 2025

In this episode, I discuss Yusuf Ismail versus Tom Jenkins. I also discuss the first St. Louis card I attended with my sister Vicky.

Duration: 00:45:13
Episode 93 - Winging It
Jul 07, 2025

In this episode, I discuss the July 4, 1916 match between Earl Caddock and William Demetral in Anita, Iowa.

Duration: 00:35:55
Episode 92 - Shot for Working?
Jun 30, 2025

In this episode, I discuss the murder of a professional wrestler in the 1860s, who gamblers thought worked a match to bilk them out of gambling money.

Duration: 00:32:06
Episode 91 - Exposes
Jun 23, 2025

In this episode, I discuss the limited damage exposes have done to the worked nature of professional wrestling.

Duration: 00:37:12
Episode 90 - Managoff, Sr. & Jr.
Jun 16, 2025

In this episode, I discuss the first father-son professional wrestlers, Bob Managoff and Bobby Managoff, Jr.

Duration: 00:41:07
Episode 89 - Strangler Wins
Jun 02, 2025

In this episode, I discuss finding the deciding contest between Ed "Strangler" Lewis and Joe Stecher. I also discuss why the myth about Joe Stecher's 1925-1928 World Title reign persist.

Duration: 00:50:50
Episode 88 - Memorial Day
May 26, 2025

In this episode, I discuss why promoters liked to schedule big cards for holidays.

Duration: 00:35:37
Episode 87 - Bronko Nagurski
May 19, 2025

In this episode, I discuss the professional wrestling career of NFL great Bronko Nagurski.

Duration: 00:32:50
Episode 86 - R.I.P. Dan
May 05, 2025

In this episode, I discuss the recent passing of my co-host and cousin Dan Zimmerman. I discuss a mixed styles bout between Ray Steele and Kingfish Levinsky in St. Louis during November 1935.

Duration: 00:45:32
Episode 85 - The Referee
Apr 21, 2025

In this episode, I discuss a controversial referee's decision in the 1905 match between Fred Beell and Gus "Americus" Schoenlein.

Duration: 00:20:56
Episode 84 - Closed Door Match and The Iron Claw
Apr 07, 2025

In this episode, I review a closed door match between Tom Jenkins and Fred Beell. I also review The Iron Claw (2023).

Duration: 00:57:46
Episode 83 - Unwanted Attention, Part 2
Mar 31, 2025

In this episode, I will be talking about an Illinois select committee’s investigation into professional boxing and wrestling in Chicago, Illinois. In part two, we discuss the revelations that made Sandow and Lewis look bad.

Duration: 00:28:54
Episode 82 - Unwanted Attention, Part 1
Mar 24, 2025

In this episode, I will be talking about an Illinois select committee’s investigation into professional boxing and wrestling in Chicago, Illinois. In part one, we discuss the revelations that made Joe Stecher look bad.

Duration: 00:30:10
Episode 81- Liquid Courage
Mar 17, 2025

In this episode, I will be talking a wrestler who need “liquid courage” to climb in the ring with Evan “The Strangler” Lewis.

Duration: 00:40:41
Episode 80 - Exposing the Business
Mar 10, 2025

In this episode, I discuss how the Divided Championship Era began to expose the worked nature of professional wrestling.

Duration: 00:36:31
Episode 79 - Flying Muldoon Style
Mar 03, 2025

In this episode, I discuss William Muldoon wrestling a contest that wasn't much of a contest and demonstrating his system of physical training.

Duration: 00:27:50
Episode 78 - Hall of Fame
Feb 24, 2025

In this episode, Dan and I discuss two notable omissions from the Wrestling Observer Newsletter Hall of Fame.

Duration: 00:51:30
Episode 77 - Don't Call Me Barney!
Feb 17, 2025

In this episode, we discuss Bernarr MacFadden's professional wrestling career in St. Louis, Missouri.

Duration: 00:32:12
Episode 76 - Solving the Masked Marvel
Feb 10, 2025

In this episode, I discuss Ed "Strangler" Lewis defeating the Masked Marvel during the 1915 New York International Wrestling Tournament.

Duration: 00:49:57
Episode 75 - Fabulous Munn Brothers
Jan 27, 2025

In this episode, we discuss former World Champion Wayne "Big" Munn and his lesser known brother, Glen Munn.

Duration: 00:36:14
Episode 74 - Reginald Siki
Jan 20, 2025

In this episode, we discuss one of the first nationally known African American wrestlers, Reginald Siki.

Duration: 00:32:29
Episode 73 - An Epic Rivalry
Jan 14, 2025

In this episode, I discuss the first of three matches in 1926 between World Champion Joe Stecher and John "The Nebraska Tigerman" Pesek. I also discuss the two big wrestling companies debuting on Netflix and Max.

Duration: 00:47:30
Episode 72 - Miyake vs. Santel
Dec 30, 2024

In this episode, I discuss the mixed styles match between Taro Miyake versus Ad Santel in October 1916.

Duration: 00:39:53
Episode 71 - Why So Long?
Dec 02, 2024

In this episode, I discuss why the Divided Championship Era lasted for three years from 1925 to 1928. I also review the original Survivor Series 1987.

Duration: 00:32:08
Episode 70 - Lost Film
Nov 11, 2024

In this episode, I discuss the recently discovered film of the 1908 match between George Hackenschmidt and Joe Rogers.

Duration: 00:46:59
Episode 69 - Happy Halloween
Oct 31, 2024

In this episode, we discuss Martin "Farmer" Burns training James J. Jeffries for his bout with Jack Johnson on July 4, 1910.

Duration: 01:06:44
Episode 68 - Start a Promotion
Oct 14, 2024

In this episode, I discuss the beginnings of the regular St. Louis wrestling promotion in 1921. I also discuss the Mr. McMahon documentary on Netflix.

Duration: 00:38:21
Episode 67 - In the News
Sep 30, 2024

In this episode, Dan and I talk about a number of the news stories surrounding AEW and WWE.

Duration: 00:50:35
Episode 64 - St. Louis' First Pro Wrestler
Sep 23, 2024

In this episode, I discuss the professional wrestling and refereeing career of St. Louis' first professional wrestler, George Baptiste.

Duration: 00:43:03
Episode 63 - Divided Championship
Sep 09, 2024

In this episode, we discuss 1925-1928, when both Ed "Strangler" Lewis and Joe Stecher claimed the World Heavyweight Wrestling Championship.

Duration: 01:06:13
Episode 62 - Taro Miyake/Rikidozan vs. Kimura
Aug 26, 2024

In this episode, we look at Taro Miyake's challenge matches in England and review one of the few double-crosses after the formation of the National Wrestling Alliance.

Duration: 00:54:52
Episode 61 - Evan Lewis vs. Tom Conners
Aug 12, 2024

In this episode, we discuss the controversial 1887 match between Evan "Strangler" Lewis and English catch wrestler Tom Connors.

Duration: 00:54:14
Episode 60 - St. Louis Wrestling
Jul 22, 2024

In this episode, I discuss the development of the St. Louis wrestling promotion under Tom Packs and Sam Muchnick.

Duration: 01:06:50
Episode 59 - The Peseks
Jul 08, 2024

In this episode, we discuss how Hubert and Charley Pesek affected the career of John "The Nebraska Tigerman" Pesek.

Duration: 00:33:48
Episode 58 - 1910 Gambling Ring
Jun 24, 2024

In this episode, I discuss the federal government prosecuting a gambling ring in 1910. The case exposed how wrestlers worked matches to bilk fans betting on the matches.

Duration: 00:39:54
Episode 57 - What's Happening?
Jun 10, 2024

In this episode, I talk about the upcoming podcast schedule and website revisions to kenzimmermanjr.com.

Duration: 00:24:28
Episode 56 - Working Outside the US
May 27, 2024

In this episode, we discuss wrestlers and jiu jitsu fighters working matches in Brazil. We also review WWE's King and Queen of the Ring.

Duration: 01:22:07
Episode 55 - Browning Squeezes Miyake
May 13, 2024

In this episode, I talk about the 1924 match between Jim Browning and Taro Miyake.

Duration: 00:36:54
Episode 54 - The Frankenstein Episode
May 06, 2024

Technical difficulties led to this podcast being more of a compilation. We discuss an odd decision by the New York State Althletic Commission in 1921.

Duration: 00:30:33
Episode 53 - Backers vs. Promoters
Apr 11, 2024

In this episode, I discuss the backstage video from AEW at Wembley, talk about pro wrestling before the modern promotion system, and review Wrestlemania XL Day 2.

Duration: 00:58:17
Episode 52 - Rickard vs. Curley
Apr 08, 2024

In this episode, I discuss the possible reasons for the falling out between Tex Rickard and Jack Curley. I also review the first night of Wrestlemania XL.

Duration: 00:51:28
Episode 51 - Marin Plestina
Apr 01, 2024

In this episode, we discuss the threat that Marin Plestina posed to the wrestling trust between 1917 and 1921.

Duration: 00:41:30
Episode 50 - Wrestling and World War I
Mar 25, 2024

In this episode, we discuss how World War I affected American professional wrestling. We also reveal who said, "Repetition is the key when dealing with goofs."

Duration: 00:44:06
Episode 49 - Pesek vs. Plestina
Mar 11, 2024

In this solo episode, I look at John "The Nebraska Tiger Man" Pesek settling two promotional wars in the 1920s.

Duration: 00:32:12
Episode 48 - Legendary Stories
Mar 04, 2024

In this episode, we discuss the origins of professional wrestling stories and legends around events through history.

Duration: 00:59:24
Episode 47 - Londos vs. Carnera
Feb 26, 2024

In this episode, we discuss the careers of Jim Londos and Primo Carnera leading into a review of their 1950 wrestling match.

Duration: 00:46:11
Episode 46 - Muldoon vs. Whistler
Feb 12, 2024

In this episode, we discuss William Muldoon vs. Clarence Whistler as we try to be more positive this week.

Duration: 01:07:43
Episode 45 - It's a Dirty Business
Feb 05, 2024

In this episode, we discuss the Vince McMahon scandal, the dirty deeds of promoters in the past, and review the 2024 Royal Rumble. We end this long episode talking about wrestling on TV in St. Louis during the 1980s.

Duration: 02:15:43
Episode 44 - Young Ed Lewis
Jan 29, 2024

In this episode, I discuss the first five years of Ed "Strangler" Lewis' career.

Duration: 00:39:15
Episode 43 - Mixed Bout
Jan 22, 2024

In this episode, we discuss the boxer vs. wrestler bout between "Battling" Levinsky vs. Ray Steele.

Duration: 01:17:18
Episode 42 - Gambling Schemes
Jan 08, 2024

In this episode, we discuss how gambling schemes fed into professional wrestling's unsavory reputation.

Duration: 01:13:16
Episode 41 - Why Mort Henderson?
Jan 01, 2024

In this episode, we discuss a new discover about Ed "Strangler" Lewis, why Mort Henderson was picked to be the Masked Marvel, and a look at Jerry Lawler vs. "Dirty" Dutch Mantel.

Duration: 01:33:12
Episode 40 - Happy, Happy Christmas
Dec 25, 2023

In this episode, we discuss a Christmas Night wrestling fiasco in 1911.

Duration: 01:04:28
Episode 66 - Sandow and Lewis
Dec 18, 2023

In this episode, we discuss how and when Billy Sandow and Ed "Strangler" Lewis really met.

Duration: 01:07:29
Episode 39 - Zbyszko’s Double-Cross
Dec 11, 2023

In this episode, we discuss the famous double-cross of "Big" Wayne Munn and the Gold Dust Trio by Stanislaus Zbyszko.

Duration: 01:17:05
Episode 65 - Joe Stecher in 1910s
Dec 04, 2023

In this episode, we discuss news, the Wrestling Observer Hall of Fame, Joe Stecher in the 1910s, and review a match from Mid-Atlantic in 1983.

Duration: 01:21:09
Episode 38 - Zbyszko vs. Aberg
Nov 27, 2023

In this episode, we discuss Stanislaus Zbyszko's last match of his first tour of America. We finish with his return to the United States in 1920.

Duration: 01:09:45
Episode 37 - Gotch vs. Zbyszko
Nov 13, 2023

In this episode, we discuss Stanislaus Zbyszko's campaign for Frank Gotch's World Title.

Duration: 01:12:39
Episode 36 - 350 Days
Oct 30, 2023

In this bonus episode, we discuss the documentary 350 Days about pro wrestling in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s.

Duration: 01:00:42
Episode 35 - A Long Match
Oct 23, 2023

In this episode, we look at a match from 1878. It was a challenge keeping my co-hosts focused this week.

Duration: 01:07:34
Episode 34: Ed Lewis in 1913
Oct 09, 2023

In this episode, we look at Ed "Strangler" Lewis' wrestling schedule in the first six months of 1913.

Duration: 01:07:10
Episode 32 - Lewis Beats Up Dean
Sep 25, 2023

In this episode, I discuss Ed "Strangler" Lewis taking revenge on Man Mountain Dean in St. Louis during December 1935.

Duration: 01:13:03
Episode 31 - Evan Lewis’ Schedule
Sep 11, 2023

In this episode, we discuss Evan "Strangler" Lewis' wrestling schedule in 1886.

Duration: 01:05:40
Episode 30 - Shikat vs. O’Mahony
Sep 04, 2023

In this episode, we discuss Dick Shikat double-crossing Danno O'Mahony in 1936. Plus we have a very special guest in studio.

Duration: 00:35:27
Episode 33 - Bonus Episode on Recent Deaths
Aug 28, 2023

Yes, we are releasing an episode out of order. With three recent high profile deaths in pro wrestling, we wanted to release a bonus episode now to talk about them. We also inadvertantly insult a few people and have an interesting conversation about "cougars."

Duration: 01:22:54
Episode 29 - Early Jim Londos
Aug 14, 2023

In this episode, we discuss Jim Londos early career in St. Louis. We also review Jim Londos vs. Dick Shikat from 1930 plus a bonus review.

Duration: 00:55:34
Episode 28 - Prime Time Wrestling
Jul 24, 2023

In this episode, my cousin Dan and I review the April 28, 1986 edition of WWF's Prime Time Wrestling.

Duration: 00:46:02
Episode 27 - Matsuda Project
Jul 10, 2023

In this episode, I discuss what I learned researching the career of Sorakichi Matsuda, the first Japanese professional wrestler in the Untied States.

Duration: 00:28:36
Episode 26 - Stecher vs. Caddock
Jun 26, 2023

In this episode, I discuss the 1917 and 1920 World Title matches between Earl Caddock and Joe Stecher.

Duration: 00:30:51
Episode 25 - McLaughlin vs. Ross (Corrected)
Jun 12, 2023

In this episode, we discuss an 1884 mixed styles match between J.H. McLaughlin and Duncan C. Ross.

Duration: 00:34:48
Episode 24 - Jim Browning
May 22, 2023

In this episode, I discuss the career of unknown World Champion Jim Browning.

Duration: 00:21:55
Episode 23 - Sumo Wrestling in the U.S.
May 08, 2023

In this episode, I discuss professional wrestling matches conducted under Sumo Rules in the 1880s.

Duration: 00:28:38
Episode 22 - Bonus Episode
Apr 24, 2023

In this episode, my cousin Dan and I discuss the evolution of pro wrestling since the late 1970s and its influence on our fandom.

Duration: 01:10:29
Episode 21 - Yusuf Ismail
Apr 10, 2023

In this episode, we discuss the short but impactful career of the original Terrible Turk, Yusuf Ismail.

Duration: 00:29:28
Episode 20 - Sorakichi Matsada
Mar 13, 2023

In this episode, we look at the career of pioneering 19th Century Japanese pro wrestler Sorakichi Matsada.

Duration: 00:25:57
Episode 19 - Acton vs. Fitz
Feb 13, 2023

In this episode, I discuss the 1891 wrestling match between Joe Acton and future heavyweight boxing champion Bob Fitzsimmons.

Duration: 00:27:31
Episode 18 - Pesek vs Pendeleon
Jan 30, 2023

In this episode, I discuss the 1923 shoot contest between John "The Tigerman" Pesek and Nat "Panther" Pendleton.

Duration: 00:25:34
Episode 17 - Author Lessons
Jan 09, 2023

In this episode, I discuss what I learned during my combat sports book projects.

Duration: 00:33:53
Episode 16 - Bibby vs Ross
Dec 26, 2022

In this episode, I read an account of Edwin Bibby vs. Duncan C. Ross from Shooting or Working: The Story of the American Heavyweight Wrestling Championship.

Duration: 00:23:00
Episode 15 - Ed ”Strangler” Lewis’ Last Contests
Dec 12, 2022

In this episode, we discuss Ed "Strangler" Lewis' Last Two Legitimate Contests.

Duration: 01:07:34
Episode 14- Cora Livingston
Nov 28, 2022

In this episode, I discuss the early career of the first recognized Women's World Wrestling Champion, Cora Livingston.

Duration: 00:34:18
Episode 13 - Dangerous Match
Nov 14, 2022

In this episode, we discuss a dangerous decision Tom Jenkins made on Christmas Night 1902.

Duration: 00:50:23
Episode 12 - ”Little Demon”
Oct 24, 2022

In this episode, I discuss the career of the "Little Demon" Joe Acton.

Duration: 00:27:51
Episode 11 - Correcting Books and Posts
Oct 10, 2022

In this episode, we discuss when an author has a duty to correct a previous publication.

Duration: 00:44:05
Episode 10 - John ”The Tigerman” Pesek
Sep 26, 2022

In this episode, we discuss John "The Nebraska Tigerman" Pesek.

Duration: 00:59:04
Episode9 - Tom Jenkins
Sep 12, 2022

In this episode, we discuss Frank Gotch's toughest opponent, Tom Jenkins.

Duration: 01:22:13
Episode 8 - Promoting Wrestling
Aug 22, 2022

In this episode, I discuss the development of the professional wrestling promotional system in the late 1910s and 1920s.

Duration: 00:37:53
Episode7 - The Masked Marvel
Aug 08, 2022

In this episode, I welcome my new co-host, Caleb Zimmerman. We discuss the first masked wrestler in the United States, the Masked Marvel. We also discuss Harley Race vs. David Von Erich from St. Louis' Wrestling at the Chase in 1979.

Duration: 01:03:29