The GovNavigators Show

The GovNavigators Show

By: Adam

Language: en-us

Categories: Government

Welcome, everyone, to the The GovNavigators Show - a government focused show that won’t make you seasick. We hope to enlighten and enliven your week with news and insightful, entertaining guests all on the topic of government management.Check out more at www.govnavigators.com 

Episodes

Nick Hart on the Power of Good Data in Government
Dec 15, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators sit down with our good friend Nick Hart, President and CEO of the Data Foundation, for a wide-ranging conversation on why government data matters more than most people realize, and why it so often goes unnoticed until it’s at risk.

Nick walks through the launch of the People’s Data 100, a new initiative designed to surface and celebrate the most valuable public-sector data assets. He explains how fragile these “invisible infrastructure” systems can be, why low public engagement puts critical datasets at risk of elimination, and what it...

Duration: 00:29:41
The Lending Brief: Kate Aaby on Breaking Silos and Modernizing Federal Lending
Dec 10, 2025

In this episode of The Lending Brief (sponsored by Allocore), former SBA CFO and Associate Administrator Kate Aaby joins to unpack what it really takes to manage and modernize one of the federal government’s largest loan portfolios. Drawing on experience at OMB, in the private sector, and on the front lines of pandemic lending, Kate reflects on lessons learned from moving $1 trillion in assistance to small businesses, and what’s still holding federal credit programs back.

She discusses why performance and risk management should be inseparable, how fragmented eligibility systems erode trust, and why true...

Duration: 00:14:32
Saving the Tech Modernization Fund with Ross Nodurft
Dec 08, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators welcome Ross Nodurft, Executive Director of the Alliance for Digital Innovation, for a timely conversation on the future of federal IT modernization and the urgent fight to save the Technology Modernization Fund (TMF) before its December expiration.

Ross breaks down how the TMF has quietly become one of the federal government’s most effective tools for paying down tech debt, funding everything from Treasury network modernization to AI-powered disability processing at Social Security. He explains why TMF doesn’t require new appropriations to survive, where bipa...

Duration: 00:24:40
Sairah Ijaz on Rebuilding Government Through Better Processes
Dec 01, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators sit down with Sairah Ijaz, Managing Director at Celonis and former federal CIO to talk about her path from a GS-5 intern with a clipboard to one of the most influential technology executives in government.

Sairah shares how early roles at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, Social Security Administration, and GAO shaped her obsession with process improvement, and why that made her move to Celonis such a natural next step. She reflects on major transitions at HUD, including financial system migrations, data-driven decision-making, and the sometimes...

Duration: 00:27:08
Pop-up Episode: Happy Thanksgiving from the GovNavigators!
Nov 24, 2025

The GovNavigators drop in with a special Thanksgiving pop-up to talk shutdown aftershocks, the rocky restart for federal employees and contractors, and what the latest CR means for the months ahead. Robert and Adam also recap the launch of the GovNavigators Network and touch on OPM’s new executive-training curriculum and Congress’s surprisingly light work schedule. A quick holiday check-in full of federal-management insights and a little gratitude for the GovNavigators community.

Show Notes:

GovNavigators Network Launch: Press Release

OPM: New Development Programs Memo

What...

Duration: 00:08:28
Love Rutledge on Life After DOD and the Future of Federal Talent
Nov 17, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators welcome Love Rutledge, host of the Fed Upward Podcast and recently retired Senior Executive from the Department of Defense. From her start as a GS-7 working two jobs to leading readiness and talent initiatives at the Pentagon, Love shares lessons from 25 years in federal service—and why she’s optimistic about what comes next.

The conversation covers the latest DOD acquisition reforms, the perennial push for a clean audit, and the need for smarter, more flexible civilian personnel systems that make it easier to bring great people in (and back) to government. Plus, Love...

Duration: 00:27:41
The Lending Brief Podcast: Ben Wallace on Modernizing Federal Loan Systems
Nov 12, 2025

Welcome back to The Lending Brief, brought to you by the GovNavigators and sponsored by Allocore. The Lending Brief shares stories of innovation, challenge, and impact in federal lending.

In this episode, Allocore Managing Director Ben Wallace joins to discuss how government lending programs can finally catch up to the scale and speed of modern finance. Throughout our conversation, Ben breaks down what it really takes to modernize loan origination and servicing across agencies like SBA, USDA, DOE, and VA. He shares insights from decades of federal financial-system reform, lessons from recent platform...

Duration: 00:20:26
Ted Kaouk on AI and the Future of Federal Innovation
Nov 10, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Robert and Adam welcome Ted Kaouk, former Federal Chief Data Officer and (as Adam puts it) the godfather of the federal CDO community. Now founder of Generative Work AI, Ted joins the hosts to discuss how generative AI is transforming the way organizations think, learn, and lead.

From his “30 AI apps in 30 days” challenge to lessons from building the CDO Council after the Evidence Act, Ted shares insights on how agencies can move from compliance to true data-driven value, the emerging art of “vibe coding,” and why behavior...

Duration: 00:27:19
Dave Wennergren Reflects on the First Nine Months of Trump 2.0
Nov 03, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, ACT-IAC CEO Dave Wennergren sits down with Robert and Adam to talk about how ACT-IAC and similar organizations are staying the course through the recent big shifts in the federal management and technology. 

Throughout sweeping cost-cuts, shifting priorities, and the AI wave, Dave and everyone on his team have been helping government and industry chart a path forward. Join us while we muse about where we've been, and where we might be heading. It's day 33 of the government shutdown- is there light at the end of the tunnel?

S...

Duration: 00:27:29
The Lending Brief Podcast: Doug Criscitello on the Future of Federal Lending
Oct 29, 2025

Welcome to The Lending Brief, a brand new show brought to you by the GovNavigators and sponsored by Allocore. The Lending Brief shares stories of innovation, challenge, and impact in federal lending.

Our first guest is Doug Criscitello, former CFO at HUD and SBA, and now a fellow at Arnold Ventures. Doug unpacks how the federal government quietly became one of the world’s largest lenders, and why the volume of loans has exploded since the 2008 financial crisis and the COVID-era Paycheck Protection Program.

He explains how shrinking workforces an...

Duration: 00:22:02
Welcome Aboard, Hilery Sirpis!
Oct 27, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators podcast, Robert and Adam sit down with the newest member of the GovNavigators team, Chief Strategy Officer Hilery Sirpis! Hilery shares her insight gained from her 27 years helping government contractors connect with public-sector audiences.

She shares with the navigators about her love for the state and local market, lessons from launching Route Fifty, and how successful organizations pivot during political transitions. It’s a smart, funny, and candid conversation about storytelling, strategy, and what it takes to thrive in the government market. 

Show Notes:

There are 3,244 counties and...

Duration: 00:28:26
Gordon Gillerman on Standards, Testing, and Building Trust in Government Technology
Oct 20, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators welcome Gordon Gillerman, former Director of the Standards Coordination Office at NIST, to talk about how standards and testing programs quietly keep the federal government and the products it relies on running safely and efficiently. Gordon shares how collaboration between government and industry helps ensure innovation, interoperability, and public trust.

Show Notes

OMB: Circular A-119

Data Foundation: 2025 Shutdown RIF Impacts Tracker

NSPM-8: Military pay during the shutdown 


Events on the...

Duration: 00:29:38
Special Episode: Inside Process Intelligence Day—From Legacy Pain to Measurable Gain
Oct 13, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators, we bring you a special episode from Celonis’s Process Intelligence Day. we’re taking you inside Celonis Process Intelligence Day—where government and industry leaders shared how data-driven insights are reshaping public sector operations. 

Robert and Adam talk with Colin Wardlaw, Gary Wang, Aubrey Vaughn, and Sairah Ijaz about what it takes to modernize legacy systems, foster cultural change, and measure success through clear KPIs and real results. 

It’s a look at how process intelligence is helping agencies do more with less—and deliver better outcomes for the public.

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Duration: 00:30:01
Oliver Wise on Data, AI, and the Future of Public Service
Oct 06, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators welcome Oliver Wise, former Chief Data Officer at the Department of Commerce and now Executive Director of the Bloomberg Center for Government Excellence at Johns Hopkins University. Oliver discusses his experience leading data initiatives across Commerce, including efforts to make federal data usable in an AI-driven world, and explains how local governments can harness data to improve lives through programs like the City Data Alliance.

From federal policy to city hall, Oliver shares how better data governance—and a new model of collaboration between levels of government—can help publ...

Duration: 00:27:13
The Future of Shared Services with John Marshall and Steve Goodrich
Sep 29, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators sit down with John Marshall and Steve Goodrich of the Shared Services Leadership Coalition to chart the past, present, and what’s next in federal shared services, from payroll consolidation and NASA’s model to today’s QSMOs and a legislative plan to turn modernization from pilots into standard practice.

Show Notes
SSLC
: Shared Services Leadership Coalition
NSSC: NASA Shared Services Center

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
Oct. 9, 2025:
FedInsider / Carahsoft Innovation Summit
Oct. 26-28, 2025: ACT-IAC Imagine Nation ELC 

Duration: 00:24:52
The GovNavigators Take a Deep Dive: Discussing Developments From the Last Few Weeks
Sep 22, 2025

Robert and Adam are sailing solo on this special episode of the GovNavigators Show, featuring an in-depth discussion of recent developments from OPM, OMB, GAO, and more. With the end of the fiscal year fast approaching, the GovNavigators are here to make sense of the storm. Hold on tight!

Show Notes: 

OPM: New Guidelines for Performance Reviews

OMB: Updates to A-11

GAO: New Video


Events on the GovNavigator’s Radar

September 24-25, 2025: AGA...

Duration: 00:24:52
Charles Cooper on Congress’s Tumultuous Fall Agenda
Sep 15, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators welcome back Charles Cooper of Brumidi Group for a frank look at Congress’s crowded to-do list. From looming shutdown risks, rescissions, and the fight over appropriations to the fate of healthcare extenders, the farm bill, and other expiring programs, Charles explains why the path forward is rockier than ever—and where bipartisan opportunities may still emerge.

Show Notes:

 Combined Federal Campaign: Website

 Treasury and GSA: SAVE Program

Events on GovNavigators' Radar:

September 16-18, 2025  

Partnership for Public Service’s GovHR Co...

Duration: 00:26:04
Anne Meeker on Making Congress Work Better
Sep 08, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators welcome Anne Meeker, Deputy Director of the PopVox Foundation, for a conversation on making Congress work better. From the overlooked power of casework to AI’s role in shaping legislative oversight, Anne shares how small reforms can strengthen trust and improve service delivery across government.

Show Notes

OMB: Circular A-11

Circular A-129

GSA: New ServiceNow Deal

Events on GovNavigators' Radar

September 9-12, 2025  

Billington Cybersecurity Summit 

September 11, 2025 

RSM’s...

Duration: 00:30:16
Pop-up Episode: Honoring the Labor Movement
Sep 01, 2025

In this special Labor Day pop-up episode of the GovNavigators Show, Adam and Robert reflect on the importance of the labor movement, tease some big news for the Navigators family, and preview what’s ahead as Congress returns to town. With the fiscal year’s end approaching, expect debates over rescissions, reconciliation, the NDAA, and the President’s Management Agenda—plus the looming possibility of a government shutdown.

Duration: 00:03:48
Jason Miller on the Future of Federal Procurement
Aug 25, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators welcome Jason Miller, Executive Editor at Federal News Network, for a wide-ranging conversation on the state of federal acquisition and IT leadership. From the long-awaited FAR overhaul and GSA’s contracting shifts to the evolving role of the federal CIO, Jason unpacks what these changes mean for agencies, industry, and small businesses alike.

Show Notes

OMB: Improper Payments Memo

EO: Improving our Nation Through Better Design

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar

August 25, 2025: A Hole in One w...

Duration: 00:25:23
Unlocking Federal Real Estate: Efficiency, Partnerships, and the Path Ahead
Aug 18, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Adam and Robert sit down with George Guszcza, President and CEO of the National Institute of Building Sciences, along with Tom Scott and Paul Firth of Alvarez & Marsal, for a timely discussion on modernizing federal real estate. From shifting work patterns and aging infrastructure to public-private partnerships, our guests highlight the challenges and opportunities facing agencies today.

Show Notes
OPM Award Guidance
Jason Miller Op-Ed: DHS Contract Reviews
DOJ Guidance
New Grants Guidance 

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
Celonis Duration: 00:29:53

Remember the Mission: Darren Ash Reflects on His Career in Public Service
Aug 11, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Robert and Adam meet with Darren Ash, former federal CIO of multiple agencies, most recently at the Department of the Interior. Ash shares wisdom gained over an expansive career in government, including how IT innovation can transform public service.

Show Notes

NEW EO: Improving Oversight of Federal Grantmaking

GSA: Adding Leading AI Software to Award Schedules

GAO: Ruling on DOT Impoundment

NIST: Updated Digital Identity Guidelines

FOR ADAM'S FELLOW EM-DASH...

Duration: 00:24:55
Empowering Public Servants with Karen Lee
Aug 04, 2025

Karen Lee, co-founder of FedsForward, joins the GovNavigators to talk about her journey through federal service, the challenges of transitioning in and out of government, and how her organization is building scalable tools to help civil servants navigate career change.

Show Notes

FedsFoward Website

The Data Foundation

FCC Rural Healthcare Program


Upcoming Events
August 5, 2025

Data Foundation’s Evaluating for Efficiency: Lessons from GAO and IGs 

August 19, 2025

Celonis’ Public Sector Process Intelligence Day

Augus...

Duration: 00:29:47
Understanding Federal Procurement Consolidation with Brian Friel
Jul 28, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators sit down with Brian Friel, Co-Founder of BD-Squared, for a discussion on how federal procurement looks in the age of consolidation. An expert in procurement data, Friel offers great insight into how past efficiency efforts have led us to this administration's push to rid the federal government of duplicative and unnecessary contracts. 

Show Notes:

Leadership shakeup at GSA M-25-31 (OMB memo on procurement consolidation)America's AI Action PlanThree AI-related EOs released

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar

July 28-29th: AGA’s Professional Deve...

Duration: 00:30:20
The Performance Playbook with Nick Mastronardi
Jul 21, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Nick Mastronardi, founder and CEO of Polco and a former Air Force economist, joins the show to talk about transforming local government with data. Nick shares his journey from national security to civic tech, explains how cities are using performance metrics to make better decisions, and reveals what 400 jurisdictions have taught him about trust, ROI, and the power of listening at scale.

Show Notes

Government Finance Officers AssociationBloomberg Cities Network


Duration: 00:28:59
The Past, Present, and Future of FEMA with Eric Leckey
Jul 14, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Adam and Robert dive in with Eric Leckey, former Associate Administrator for Mission Support at FEMA, about the state of emergency response management. With hurricane season upon us and the administration considering big changes to the agency, Eric reveals how FEMA has adapted overtime, and offers valuable insight into what may be on the agency's horizon.

Show Notes

Kerr County Relief FundFEMA Review Council

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar

July 17th: GovExec Government Efficiency Summit 

July 17th: Sh...

Duration: 00:24:53
From OMB to IRS: Danny Werfel on Making Reform Stick
Jul 07, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, former IRS Commissioner Danny Werfel joins us to unpack the Trump administration’s rapid-fire push to modernize the IRS—and what gets lost when speed outruns strategy. Drawing on decades of federal service, including senior roles at OMB and DOJ, Danny reflects on his team’s detailed IRS transformation plan, contrasts it with today’s approach, and raises big questions about transparency, workforce cuts, and cybersecurity risks. Plus, a bonus deep dive into the future of financial reporting under M-25-30, the limits of paperwork-based oversight, and why civics literacy might be the governme...

Duration: 00:26:51
Pop-up Episode: Celebrating Independence Day!
Jul 01, 2025

The GovNavigators prepare for Independence Day weekend in this special pop-up episode of the GovNavigators Show. Unfortunately, leadership in Congress likely won't be enjoying the fireworks, as the administration insists everyone stay in town until the "Big, Beautiful Bill" is on the President's desk. Meanwhile, Russ Vought calls for a shakeup in federal auditing, and HUD gets a new headquarters.

Duration: 00:07:57
Karen Kerrigan on Small Business at a Crossroads
Jun 23, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Karen Kerrigan, head of the Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council, shares insights from 30 years at the forefront of small business advocacy. From tax uncertainty and regulatory challenges to the promise of technology and smarter federal procurement, Karen breaks down what small businesses need now—and what policymakers can do to help.

Show Notes

 SBE: Small Business & Entrepreneurship Council 

SBA: Small Business Administration

CTA: Corporate Transparency Act

Duration: 00:29:58
The Impoundment Saga featuring Doug Criscitello
Jun 16, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Doug Criscitello, Program Integrity Fellow at Arnold Ventures, returns to unpack the resurgence of impoundment in the federal budget discourse. Doug sheds light on the Impoundment Control Act’s history and relevance, explains why the GAO is investigating 39 potential violations, and breaks down the tension between Executive authority and the Legislature’s power of the purse. From rescission packages to apportionments and Anti-Deficiency Act risks, Doug offers a clear-eyed take on what lies ahead for agencies and appropriators as fiscal pressures mount.


Show Notes

Ar...

Duration: 00:27:23
Soraya Correa on Rethinking Federal Procurement
Jun 09, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Soraya Correa, President and CEO of National Industries for the Blind and a longtime leader in federal acquisition, joins the show to reflect on her career and what's next for procurement reform. Soraya shares stories from her time building the Procurement Innovation Lab at DHS, offers a no-nonsense take on the FAR overhaul, and explains why empowering contracting officers—and bridging the gap between government and industry—matters more than ever.

Show Notes
JWOD
: Javits-Wagner-O'Day Act
PIL: Procurement Innovation Lab
EO...

Duration: 00:27:22
The Oracle Returns: Charles Cooper on What’s Next
Jun 02, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Charles Cooper, Managing Partner and Founder of the Brumidi Group, returns to offer his no-nonsense forecast for what’s next on Capitol Hill. From budget reconciliation drama and appropriations gridlock to tariff tensions and the 2026 election, Charles breaks down the policy, politics, and personalities shaping the months ahead—and why even a missed vote could change everything.

Show Notes
OMB
: Technical Supplement to the 2026 Budget
GAO: DOT and the Impoundment Act

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
June 3, 2025:

Forum Global’s USA...

Duration: 00:30:01
Pop-Up Episode: Honoring Memorial Day!
May 26, 2025

The GovNavigators take a moment to honor Memorial Day and reflect on the sacrifices made in service to our country. With Congress narrowly advancing a reconciliation package before the long weekend, Robert and Adam also remember longtime good government champion Gerry Connolly.

Duration: 00:06:24
Looking Under the Hood: Joshua Seawell and the Abundance Agenda
May 19, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Joshua Seawell, Head of Policy at the Inclusive Abundance Initiative, joins to break down the thinking behind the Abundance Agenda. Joshua shares how this emerging framework blends high-return public investment with regulatory reform to tackle challenges in housing, energy, AI, and government modernization. 

Show Notes
GAO
: 2025 Annual Report
Book: Abundance, by  Ezra Klein & Derek Thompson
EPRA
: Energy Permitting Reform Act 

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
May 21, 2025:
GovNavigators Webinar with National Journal
May 22, 2025: PSC's FedHealth Conf...

Duration: 00:29:25
Reimagining Evaluation: A New Vision with Justin Baer
May 12, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Justin Baer, Senior Vice President at Fors Marsh, returns to share his perspective on the future of federal evaluation. Drawing from his recent article, Justin outlines why traditional approaches to evidence building are falling short—and what needs to change. 

Show Notes
GovExec: The Baer Method: A Roadmap for Agile Evidence Building 

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
May 13: AGA's Performance Counts Summit
May 22: PSC's FedHealth Conference

Duration: 00:28:06
Rethinking Government with David Walker
May 05, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, former Comptroller General David M. Walker joins to discuss his tenure leading the Government Accountability Office and his mission to drive lasting reform across the federal government. He reflects on how he transformed GAO into a more efficient, strategically focused agency and makes the case for why the rest of government must follow suit.

Show Notes
GSA: OneGov Strategy for IT

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
May 4-6: ACT-IAC's Emerging Technology & Innovation Conference
May 5-9: Public...

Duration: 00:26:45
Navigating Federal Real Estate with Norm Dong
Apr 29, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Norm Dong, Partner at FD Stonewater, joins to share insights from his distinguished career managing the federal government’s vast real estate portfolio. Reflecting on his tenure in public service, he discusses the complexities of property disposal, the impact of return-to-office policies on government facilities, and how agencies are adapting their real estate strategies for the future.

Show Notes
GSA: Top Ten Contractor Update 

Executive Order: Strengthening Probationary Periods in the Federal Service

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
...

Duration: 00:27:08
Unpacking the Budget: A Conversation with Andy Pavord
Apr 21, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, Andrew Pavord joins to reflect on a career that spans academia, local and federal government, and the private sector. As President of the American Association for Budget and Program Analysis and CEO of the Federal Consulting Alliance, he unpacks the budget reconciliation process and its impact on fiscal policy. Recorded just before the latest bill’s passage, the conversation explores congressional procedures, spending limits, and what it will take to confront the growing deficit.

Show Notes
Executive Orders

Restoring Common Sense to Federal Procurement<...

Duration: 00:29:53
A Conversation with Tim Brennan: Navigating the Road Ahead
Apr 14, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators are joined by Tim Brennan, Vice President of Government Relations at Professional Services Council, to discuss how PSC is helping its members navigate today’s uncertain political climate. Tim highlights PSC’s role in sharing information, identifying opportunities, and keeping a close eye on developments at the Capitol. He also previews PSC’s annual conference and why now is the perfect time for industry leaders to come together and strategize for the road ahead.

Show Notes
Executive Orders

Modernizing Defense AcquisitionsReforming Foreign Defense SalesReducing Anti-Competitive Regulatory Barriers

Co...

Duration: 00:26:09
Part 2: David Lebryk's Adventures in the Government
Apr 07, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, we wrap up our two-part conversation with David Lebryk, former Fiscal Assistant Secretary at the U.S. Treasury. In Part 2, David reflects on nearly 40 years of public service, the power of leadership, and what really happens inside Treasury. He shares lessons learned and offers timely advice for today’s federal workforce.

Show Notes
OMB Memo: Accelerating Federal Use of AI

OMB Memo: Driving Efficient Acquisition of AI in the Government 

Derek Thompson: The Abundance Agenda


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Duration: 00:28:06
Part 1: David Lebryk's Adventures in the Government
Mar 31, 2025

This week on the GovNavigators Show, we welcome David Lebryk, former Fiscal Assistant Secretary at the U.S. Department of the Treasury, for Part 1 of a two-part conversation. David shares the path that led him from a childhood shaped by public service to a decades-long career in government. He reflects on the people, programs, and pivotal moments that influenced his journey, and why his story might be a blueprint for the next generation of public servants.

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
April 3, 2025:

 AI in Action at DHSGovExec’s Evening of Honors 

Duration: 00:29:35

100th Episode Special: Government Efficiency with Allison Brigati & Dan Heckman
Mar 24, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators welcome Allison Brigati, former Deputy Administrator of the General Services Administration, and Daniel Heckman, CEO of MSI Consulting, to share lessons learned from the first Trump administration’s push for government efficiency. They discuss overcoming resistance to change, and harnessing automation and AI to modernize government functions. Additionally, they reflect on how these strategies could shape current reform efforts as we enter Trump’s second term.

Show Notes
President's Management Agenda: Trump Administration(2018), Cap Goal 6 Pg. 32

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
March 24: Fe...

Duration: 00:27:34
Ed Amorosi: “Well-Nigh Irrefragable Proof” and the Legal Battles Ahead
Mar 17, 2025

Ed Amorosi, partner at Haynes Boone, joins the GovNavigators this week to discuss the legal battles over executive orders, personnel dismissals, and contract cancellations. He unpacks the jurisdictional disputes complicating these cases, their broader implications, and the upcoming court decisions that could set major precedents—including long-awaited clarity on the Impoundment Act.

Happy St. Patrick's Day!

Show Notes
Executive Order 14222: Federal agencies review all federal contracts & grants

Executive Order 14151: Eliminating DEI Programs

NIH: Indirect Cost Rates: Supplemental guidance 

"Well-nigh irr...

Duration: 00:28:23
Diving into the GAO High-Risk List with GAO's Nikki Clowers
Mar 10, 2025

This week, the GovNavigators welcome Nikki Clowers, Managing Director of the Office of Congressional Relations at GAO, to explore the vital role GAO plays in supporting oversight on Capitol Hill. She breaks down the GAO High Risk List—why it matters, how it guides government reform, and what it reveals about agencies in need of transformation. 

Show Notes
GAO: High-Risk Report
Trump's Joint Address to Congress: Key Highlights

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar

March 11: The House Committee on Oversight and Government Ref...

Duration: 00:27:19
Betsy Beaumon: Shaking Up Social Security—Silicon Valley Style
Mar 03, 2025

From Silicon Valley to just north of Capitol Hill, Betsy Beaumon joins the GovNavigators Show to share how she brought tech-driven transformation to the Social Security Administration. She reflects on her personal connection to SSA’s mission, the creation of the Office of Transformation, and the major strides made in improving security, operations, and customer experience.

Show Notes
GAO: High-Risk Report
DOGE EO: Implementing the President's "Department of Government Efficiency" Cost Efficiency Initiative

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
March 4: The President addresses a...

Duration: 00:29:34
A Conversation with Kelly Morrison: Driving Government Efficiency with Data
Feb 24, 2025

This week, The GovNavigators welcomes one of our favorite guests, Kelly Morrison, Senior Vice President at HumanTouch. With a distinguished 16-year tenure in the federal government she shares insights from her federal service and explores how data management and modernization can drive efficiency within DOGE's mission. 

Show Notes
Presidential Actions:  

Radical Transparency about Wasteful Spending Ensuring Accountability for all Agencies Commencing the Reduction of the Federal Bureaucracy Ensuring Lawful Governance-DOGE Initiative 

OPM Memos: 

Amendment to Temporary Transitional Senior...

Duration: 00:28:51
Pop Up Episode: Happy Presidents' Day
Feb 17, 2025

The GovNavigators would like to take a moment to honor Presidents Day as we prepare for another busy week. The DOGE mania is in full swing, and Congress is scheduled to hear a budget resolution on the House floor following the Presidents' Day recess.

Stay informed by subscribing to our newsletter! Visit our website here to sign up.

Duration: 00:07:01
Catching Up with C-SPAN's Howard Mortman
Feb 10, 2025

As the new administration takes shape, C-SPAN's Director of Communications, Howard Mortman, joins the GovNavigators to share insights on the network's coverage, from confirmation hearings to shifts between administrations and what's on the network's horizon.

Show Notes
Trump Administration Actions: Deferred Resignation Program Blocked by Federal Judge
Find Federal Expenditures: USASpending.gov

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
February 19-20: AGA’s National Leadership Training 
February 20: PSC’s Federal Law Enforcement Conference 

Duration: 00:30:00
Reflections with Amy Edwards Holmes, Executive Director of GovEx
Feb 03, 2025

As the Bloomberg Center for Government Excellence marks its 10th anniversary, Executive Director Amy Edwards Holmes joins the GovNavigators show to reflect on GovEx’s impact and unveil her next steps. She discusses the center’s strides in modernizing data for real-world change and shares her insights on the future of AI in government.

Show Notes
OMB Memo: Federal Financial Assistance Pause Rescinded
OPM Memo: Federal Administrative Leave
2025 Fed 100: List Announced

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
February 2: PSC’s Annual...

Duration: 00:28:53
Chasing Waste, Fraud, and Abuse: The DOGE Caucus Vision with Congressman Sessions
Jan 27, 2025

As the new administration takes control, government efficiency takes center stage. Congressman Pete Sessions, Chair of the DOGE Caucus, joins the GovNavigators to discuss the role of the DOGE Caucus, his vision for government modernization, and his efforts to reduce waste, fraud, and abuse in government.

Show Notes
Trump Administration's First Week: Presidential Actions
Congressional Testimony: Examining a Path Forward to Assess Agencies’ Efforts to Prevent Improper Payments & Fraud
Inauguration Recap: Five Key Moments

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
January 30...

Duration: 00:30:00
Last Day at OMB with Loren DeJonge Schulman
Jan 20, 2025

Loren DeJonge Schulman, Associate Director of the Office of Performance and Personnel Management within the Office of Management and Budget, joins the GovNavigator show to reflect on her experiences in the federal government and celebrate her team's achievements. In her discussion with Adam and Robert, Loren shares her favorite memories from OMB, what she is most proud of, and what she would pursue if she had more time. Happy Martin Luther King Jr. Day!

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
January 20: Inauguration of the 47th President of the United States
January 23: <...

Duration: 00:29:16
Decoding DOGE and the Presidential Transition with Overlord Jason Miller
Jan 13, 2025

With January 20 approaching, Federal News Network Executive Editor Jason Miller joins the show to discuss DOGE and brings some much needed reality to the reported trillion-dollar cuts to the federal budget. He also shares his insights on the upcoming presidential transition and shares an update on the current efforts of the agency landing teams.

Show Notes
Trump Administration Announcement: 100 Executive Orders
DOGE Update: $2 Trillion is Best Case Scenario
President Jimmy Carter Funeral Service: Memorable moments

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
J...

Duration: 00:29:56
Predictions for 2025 with Oracle Charles Cooper
Jan 06, 2025

Charles Cooper, Founder and Managing Partner of the Brumidi Group, celebrated the new year with Robert and Adam by crafting significant predictions for 2025. His expert insights on the infamous Department of Government Efficiency and the future of Congress under the Trump Administration are sure to pique your interest. Happy New Year!

Show Notes
Congressional Updates: Speaker Johnson Re-elected
Biden Message: Message to the Congress on Death of James Earl Carter, Jr.

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
January 7-9: Events surrounding the funeral...

Duration: 00:29:19
That's a Wrap!
Dec 16, 2024

Robert and Adam wrap up the year with a look back at the season’s podcast highlights, a dive into DOGE mania, and insights into what’s ahead for next year. Wishing you happy holidays!

Show Notes
GAO: Fraud Risk Management Report
Biden EO: Executive Order on the safe, secure, and trustworthy Development and Use of Artificial Intelligence   
FedRAMP: Securing Cloud Services for the federal Government

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
ATARC's Public Sector Summit (December 18th) Register
Meritalk’s TechTonic celebration of FITARA’s A’s (Dec...

Duration: 00:22:52
Gravitating Toward What Works with DOE CIO Ann Dunkin
Dec 09, 2024

#FOGN Ann Dunkin joins the show shortly before departing the federal government after her second tour of duty running the IT shop of a major federal agency. Ann shares her reflections on the good, the bad, and the ugly of working in federal IT, the importance of collaboration, and some of the things she's learned along the way.

Show Notes
Axios: Vivek Ramaswamy: Firing federal workers will be good for them
Biden-Harris PMA Celebration
Evaluations.gov: Launching the New Evidence Project Portal! 

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
T...

Duration: 00:27:54
GovNavigators Brings a First Mate on Board!
Dec 02, 2024

The Lacey Lewis #Era has begun at GovNavigators. Our first employee joins the show to talk about her background and Texas roots, interest in public policy, and spills the tea about her internship at OMB. Don't miss this one!   

Show Notes
WashPost: ‘DOGE’ tweets illustrate an almost impossible budget-cutting agenda
OMB Releases Annual Data Showing Lowest Government-wide Improper Payment Rate Since 2014
O'Malley: SSA’s 2024 progress refutes government doubters


Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
ACT-IAC’s Fighting Fraud in Government (Virtual)
**GovExec: Trump and GovCon: Pr...

Duration: 00:20:30
Diving Into the Presidential Transition with ACT-IAC
Nov 25, 2024

With the transition to the incoming Trump administration well under way (and somewhat behind schedule), Jim Cook, Strategic Engagement Executive and Chair of the Innovation Institute at ACT-IAC and Troy Schneider, Principal at TKS Strategies join the show to talk about the deep dive they are helping to lead at ACT-IAC on the presidential transition.

Show Notes

OMB (OIRA) Memo: Supporting Usability Testing Through Paperwork Reduction Act Flexibilities Washington Post: Supreme Court to examine power of Congress to delegate authorityWikipedia: List of Announced Political Appointments by President-elect Trump

E...

Duration: 00:28:48
Introducing the Program Integrity Alliance
Nov 18, 2024

The Program Integrity Alliance is a new nonprofit dedicated to strengthen integrity and data-driven fraud prevention in the U.S. for a more trustworthy, effective, and efficient government. Linda Miller and Gavin Ugale, co-founders of the PIA join the show to talk about why they created the "do-tank" and some of the big plans they have to help strengthen fraud prevention in government.

Listen to the GovNavigators Show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

Show Notes

CBS News: What to know about Trump's Department of Government...

Duration: 00:30:05
Honoring Veterans
Nov 11, 2024

In this special pop-up episode of the GovNavigators Show, Robert and Adam recap an historic week with the release of an updated OMB Circular A-50 (and also the election again of Donald Trump).

But most important of all, this episode honors the commitment and sacrifice of our country's veterans and their families. Please make sure to thank a veteran the next chance you get and get involved to help the more than 18 million living veterans with the support they need.

Show Notes
OMB Circular A-50
Ways to Help Veterans

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Duration: 00:07:52
Wrapping up a Season of Service with Amira Boland
Nov 04, 2024

Amira Boland, Chief of Staff at the New Practice Lab, and former OMB lead for Customer Experience joins the GovNavigators Show to reflect on her time in government, her tips for re-architecting a bureaucracy (don't be afraid of the source document; taking risks is ok!), and her Sammies win!

Show Notes
Supreme Court ignites wave of lawsuits against federal regulations
Learn about the Service to America Medals 2024 Management Excellence Medal Winner: Amira Boland 


Events on GovNavigators's Radar
AGA's Technology Transformation Summit (November 6, 2024)


Duration: 00:27:19
How to Restore Trust in Government One Word at a Time
Oct 28, 2024

Terry Gerton, President and CEO of the National Academy of Public Administration joins the GovNavigators Show to share groundbreaking research commissioned by NAPA about how to best communicate the value, results, and role of government to everyday Americans.

Show Notes
Open Government Federal Advisory Committee Holds First Public Meeting
GSA Release: Technology Modernization Fund announces investments upgrading customer experiences in housing and Social Security services
Council on Federal Financial Assistance

Events on GovNavigators' Radar
Data Foundation GovDATAx: Data to Results: Mapping the Future of Effective Government (October 30)<...

Duration: 00:24:31
Improving the Federal Workforce One Happy Hour at a Time
Oct 21, 2024

Jenny Mattingley, Vice President for Government Affairs at the Partnership for Public Service and former Executive Director of the PIC (among many other amazing roles) joins the GovNavigators Show to share more about her efforts to bring people together (sometimes at a happy hour) to solve challenges facing the federal workforce.

Show Notes
OMB: Protecting Privacy When Federal Agencies Use Commercially Available Information
Program Integrity Alliance
Partnership - Vision for a Better Government
Google.org announces a $10 million grant to the Partnership for Public Service to launch the Center for Federal...

Duration: 00:27:29
The Most Cheerful Guy We Know: Previewing ELC with Dave Wennergren
Oct 14, 2024

Dave Wennergren, CEO at the American Council for Technology - Industry Advisory Council (ACT-IAC) and the most cheerful gentleman we know joins the GovNavigators Show to give a preview of the upcoming Imagination ELC24 conference and talk about the latest trends and developments in government tech.

Show Notes
GSA's Login.gov announces certification of Identity Assurance Level 2 (IAL2) compliance
OMB Publishes the Trust Reg
How a wonky, centrist catchphrase explains Harris’s platform
A Simple Plan to Solve All of America’s Problems


Events on the...

Duration: 00:27:17
Revamping FedRAMP
Oct 07, 2024

The FedRAMP program has been around for over a decade and has recently released a host of new policies and resources, including a new roadmap, a refreshed OMB policy memo, two different pilots, an emerging technology prioritization framework, an a request for public comment on new metrics. Zaree Singer, Agency Engagement Lead at the FedRAMP program at GSA joins the GovNavigators Show to talk about the new and refurbished FedRAMP program.

Show Notes
FedRAMP Roadmap
Emerging Technology Prioritization Framework
FedRAMP Agile Delivery Pilot
Refreshed OMB Policy Memo
FedRAMP Metrics for...

Duration: 00:27:45
Rethinking PPBE at DOD
Sep 30, 2024

Reforming DOD's storied but cumbersome budget process is a work in progress. But it’s critical to strengthening the organization’s warfighting capability. Listen in to hear Russell Rumbaugh, the Navy's CFO and Assistant Secretary for Financial Management, share some of the progress the Navy and Marine Corps have made modernizing financial management and discuss PPBE reform and other policy changes with Andy Lucido, Managing Director and Practice Leader at Alvarez & Marsal Federal. 

Show Notes
Andy Lucido in FNN: Tailor DoD’s budget process to the national security imperatives the times demand
Department of the...

Duration: 00:28:26
Back on the QSMO Bandwagon: The Important Work of the Grants QSMO
Sep 23, 2024

The GovNavigators are joined by Andrea Sampanis, Acting Director of the Grants Quality Service Management Office (QSMO). Andrea talks about some of the challenges faced by the over 50 different grant making agencies and the work the Grants QSMO has undertaken to help improve the federal grant making process. And she shares some of the amazing work the QSMO did using human centered design to deliver real solutions that lessen the burdens on tribal grant recipients in rural and underserved areas.

Show Notes
Tribal Customer Experience Pilot for Post-Award Reporting
Federal Grants Systems Hub<...

Duration: 00:29:24
Tackling the Biggest Challenge in Government: Reforming Federal Human Capital
Sep 16, 2024

This week the GovNavigators are joined by Margot Conrad, the Deputy Chief of Staff at the Office of Personnel Management. Margot shares some of the details of a slew of exciting new policy initiatives at OPM and how the agency is working to create tools and flexibilities that support federal agencies human capital needs.

Show Notes
OMB Circular A-129 Update
OMB/OPM Memo: Improving the Federal Hiring Experience
2024 Service to America Medal Winners

Events on the GovNavigators' Radar
AGA Internal Control and Fraud Prevention Training (Sept. 19-20)  Duration: 00:28:21

The Latest From America's Data Agency
Sep 09, 2024

Commerce Department Senior Advisor Shannon Arvizu rejoins the GovNavigators Show to share the latest on the development of the Department's new data strategy and talk about the release of its Equitable Data Playbook.

Show Notes
NY Times: Leaked Reports and Political Heat Are Testing Trust in Economic Data
Washington Post: The Canary

Events of the Week
Samuel J. Heyman Service to America Medals
Service to the Citizen Awards
 

Duration: 00:27:17
Pop Up Episode: Labor of Love
Sep 02, 2024

The GovNavigators take a respite to celebrate Labor Day and also the first GovNavigators wedding as Robert's middle daughter got married over the holiday weekend. And they'll need the rest - Congress returns this week to an overflowing slate of to dos, there are only a few weeks left in FY24 for agencies to spend end of year funds, and a presidential transition (or one kind or another) is imminent. 

Duration: 00:05:15
Evaluating GSA's Office of Evaluation Sciences
Aug 26, 2024

Lauren Stocker, Acting Director of GSA's Office of Evaluation Sciences stops by to talk about her interesting career path at GSA, what the Office of Evaluation Sciences does to improve government programs and why we need more of it. Oh...and she drops the bomb that she's a Houstonian! 

Show Notes
Call for Participation: NIST-Supported Nationwide AI Red-Teaming Exercise
WSJ: Schumer Optimistic About Passing Federal AI Regulation This Year
Social Security to Simplify Disability Evaluation Process
United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas Ruling

Upcoming E...

Duration: 00:28:29
Rockin' the Boat at the PCAOB
Aug 19, 2024

FOGN Christina Ho joins the GovNavigators Show to talk about her role as a Board Member of the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (PCAOB), the many nicknames she has been given, and how she has made principled stands on policy in her role on the PCAOB.

Show Notes
WSJ: The Auditing Industry’s Regulator Has a Vocal Critic. And She’s on Its Board
FNN: Pentagon releases key CMMC contracting rules
OMB Report to Congress on Telework and Real Property Utilization
OMB Memo: Improving the Federal Hiring Experience

...

Duration: 00:28:20
Consulting the Oracle of Congress As August Recess Begins
Aug 05, 2024

The GovNavigators consult with the Oracle of Congress - Managing Partner and Founder of Brumidi Group Charles Cooper. Charles reviews the (small) progress made in Congress so far this year and previews the host of work left to do when it returns from the August recess. Oh - and he gives an (unpaid) shout out about how much he likes the GovNavigators!

Show Notes
FedRAMP Request for Comments on Program Metrics
President's Management Agenda Quarterly Updates
GSA Announces First OASIS+ Award Decisions

Upcoming Events
GSA Industry Symposium...

Duration: 00:27:23
Holding Congress Accountable with Washington Post Reporter Liz Goodwin
Jul 29, 2024

Washington Post reporter Liz Goodwin joins Robert and Adam to talk about her work shining a light on the U.S. Congress. Specifically Liz talks about her report opening up and analysing the data on a new House program allowing for reimbursement for living expenses while in Washington D.C. And she and Robert talk about their shared TX roots.

Show Notes

OMB Memo: Modernizing the Federal Risk and Authorization Management ProgramFACT SHEET: OMB Releases FedRAMP Guidance to Accelerate the Secure Adoption of Cloud ServicesOMB Releases Update to Circular A-11What your member of C...

Duration: 00:29:58
Hearding Cats: Running HR in the House of Representatives
Jul 22, 2024

John Salamone, Chief Human Resources Officer of the House of Representatives joins the GovNavigators Show to talk about bringing structure and resources to the 435+ offices of the U.S. House of Representatives. John shares how he fell into working in human resources and some of the exciting new programs and supports he is helping to create in the House.

Show Notes
OIRA: Tackling the Time Tax


Upcoming Events
PSC: Artificial Intelligence Roundtable (members only)
Crafting a Secure AI Framework


Duration: 00:29:58
The Best Dressed Man in Government Relations
Jul 15, 2024

The GovNavigators are joined this week by Tim Brennan, Vice President of Government Relations at the Professional Services Council (PSC). Robert and Adam grill Tim about dressing for the job you want, the levels of calcification of the federal bureaucracy, and the wide range of policy issues he is leading the charge on for PSC.

Show Notes
Biden Administration's Cybersecurity Priorities for the FY2026 Budget
PPS Center for Presidential Transition Persistently Vacany Positions Report
IRS reports collecting $1 billion from rich households’ back taxes


 

Duration: 00:28:49
Can the Government Tell the Future?
Jul 08, 2024

Robin Champ and Suzette Brooks Masters from the Federal Foresight Advocacy Alliance join the GovNavigators Show to talk about the importance of utilizing strategic foresight in the federal government and their efforts to create a U.S. Office of Strategic Foresight.

Show Notes
TMF Names New Director
FedRAMP Emerging Technology (ET!) Prioritization Framework
It was a $6.6B deal for 9 years. Then the feds reneged. Did politics play a role?

Upcoming Events
ACT-IAC Federal Insights Exchange: GenAI at DHS



Duration: 00:29:01
Pop Up Episode: Happy Independence Day!
Jul 01, 2024

Still recovering from Robert Shea's 15 minutes of fame on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver, the GovNavigators take a break from guests this holiday week to reflect on major Supreme Court rulings and the state of stare decisis, two major birthdays, a wedding, and the beauty of fights for independence everywhere.

Duration: 00:06:51
The State of Digital Identity 2024
Jun 24, 2024

Fascinating new data is out on the state of digital identity in government from the Center for Digital Government and #FOGN Jen Kerber (Senior Director for Government Affairs at Socure) and Dustin Haisler (President of e.Republic and the Center for Digital Government) join the show to talk about it. 


Show Notes
The State of Digital Identity in 2024
CBO:

Duration: 00:27:48
Dustin Brown’s Impact Past and Future
Jun 17, 2024

Former OMB Executive Dustin Brown joins the GovNavigators Show to talk about his over two decades at OMB, serving for four different presidents, and why he left to help improve one of the most important federal agencies in the government - the Social Security Administration.

Show Notes
White House to host event showcasing AI’s potential

Upcoming Events
PSC Acquisition Conference

Duration: 00:29:47
The GovNavigators Eat Some Crow
Jun 10, 2024

We are truly grateful that Natalie Alms joined the GovNavigators Show so we could apologize in person for our egregious mistake when we identified her employer. Everyone of course knows that Natalie still works at NextGov/FCW! Tune in to hear the latest government management stories and updates from Natalie's beat.

Show Notes
IRS Makes Direct File Permanent
House Passes TMF Authorization Bill
Agencies are on the clock to improve their digital accessibility — here’s how they’re doing so far
Dr Pepper Ties Pepsi as America’s No. 2 Soda
Blueprin...

Duration: 00:29:59
A Guide for Getting out of DoD's Management Quagmire
Jun 03, 2024

Defense Policy Luminary Peter Levine of the Defense Management Institute joins the GovNavigators Show to talk about his decades of work on Capitol Hill and in the belly of the beast attempting to reform and improve management practices at the Department of Defense. 

Show Notes
Little Guy Wins! Stuart Harrow v. Department of Defense
Check out Tracklight
IRS Direct File Here to Stay
Robert Shea - Defense Department Expert!

Upcoming Events
HSGAC Hearing: Steamlining the Fedeal Cybersecurity Regulatory Process
AGA/AFERM: ERM Summit Duration: 00:29:37

Memorial Day Pop Up: Honoring Sacrifice and Vigilance
May 27, 2024

The GovNavigators skip a guest this week and record a shorter pop up episode to honor the sacrifices of those who have given their lives in defense of the United States. Robert and Adam also review some of their recent adventures and preview an upcoming guest.

Show Notes
Best Places to Work in Government (full list)
WP's Joe Davidson: Social Security, Export-Import Bank among survey’s worst federal workplaces
Sign up for the GovNavigators Public Policy Updates

Duration: 00:11:43
Overcoming Fraud Risk Blindness
May 20, 2024

The GovNavigators get to the bottom of a standoff between OMB and GAO over the latest estimates of the size and scope of fraud in federal programs. Rebecca Shea at the GAO and FOGN Linda Miller, CEO of Audient Group join the GovNavigators to spill the tea about the latest in government fraud. 

Duration: 00:28:27
Capability at the Speed of Relevance: Modernizing the Defense Budgeting Process
May 13, 2024

Former Acting Secretary of the Army and Commissioner on the Planning, Programming, Budgeting, and Execution Reform Commission John Whitley joins the GovNavigators to talk about his career in government and the PPBE Commission's efforts to modernize the budgeting process at DoD to suit a more modern world. 

Show Notes
Commission on Planning., Programming, Budgeting, and Execution Reform
Sign up for GovNavigators Weekly Public Policy Updates

Duration: 00:28:52
Kicking Off Public Service Recognition Week with Max Stier
May 06, 2024

We're kicking off Public Sector Recognition Week with the one and only Max Stier of the Partnership for Public Service. Max shares about his lifetime struggle to find other humans named Max, the potential threats to an independent, professional civil service, and the compounding effect of honoring the best in government service.

Show Notes
Public Service Recognition Week
Baltimore Sun: Martin O’Malley is the commissioner Social Security needs
The G Word

Events
Reflections on the 10th Anniversary of the DATA Act: Examining the Impact an...

Duration: 00:28:52
Bringing Accountability to the (Real) Swamp!
Apr 29, 2024

The Chief Inspector General of the State of Florida Melinda Miguel joins the GovNavigators Show to talk about the importance of collaboration, bringing accountability to state government, and her award-winning work creating a statewide center of excellence for cyber audit in Florida. She even stumps Robert and Adam with a government acronym! Tune in to find out which one! 

Show Notes
AGA's Performance Counts!

Duration: 00:30:05
A Budget Wonk's Budget Wonk
Apr 22, 2024

Another #FOGN Doug Criscitello, Program Integrity Fellow at Arnold Ventures joins Adam and Robert on the GovNavigators Show to talk about a growing part of the federal government with big implication for almost every American: federal credit programs.

Show Notes

The Rise of U.S. Government Lending: Emergency Response or the New Normal?30,000 died in fiscal 2023 waiting for disability decisions from Social SecurityFederal Government Loses an Estimated $233 Billion to $521 Billion AnnuallyGolf Ireland

Events
GovExec's Evening of Honors (April 24)
NAPA Standing Panel on Executive Organization and Management (April 26)<...

Duration: 00:28:45
Small Office; Big Mission
Apr 15, 2024

Ever heard of the Office of Performance and Personnel Management (OPPM) at OMB? You have? Gold star for you!

OPPM is an unheralded office, but one that has grown in size, scope, and importance. And we can think of few (except perhaps Robert Shea) who are better suited to lead it than Loren DeJonge Schulman. Listen in to hear about her role as Associate Director of OPPM, the important initiatives her office is leading across government, and whether Robert will apply for the open Deputy position working for Loren. 

Show Notes

Calling A...

Duration: 00:29:41
Exciting Times for Data Nerds
Apr 08, 2024

#FOGN Nick Hart joins the GovNavigators Show and brings a friend - Natalie Evans Harris - the new Vice President for External Engagement at the Data Foundation. Nick and Natalie talk about the expanding work of the Data Foundation, AI, statistical policy directives 1-15, and much more. It's an exciting time to be a data #nerd in government.

Show Notes
OPM Issues Final Rule for Schedule F Protections
Administrative Requirements, Cost Principles, and Audit Requirements for Federal Awards
A Quarter of Feds Feel Burnt Out

Duration: 00:29:58
The Many Shades of OPM
Apr 01, 2024

One of the leading candidates for Best Friend of GovNavigators status Katie Malague joins the GovNavigators Show for a second time.  Katie recently joined the Office of Personnel Management as its Chief Management Officer overseeing the internal operations and management of the agency. Katie talks about how so much of her previous experience in government has led her back to the mission of OPM.

Show Notes
OMB Releases Final AI Guidance
OMB Publishes Revisions to Statistical Policy Directive #15

Events
AGA ERM Workshop (April 16, 2024)
ACT-IAC Climate C...

Duration: 00:26:24
The Father of Evidence-Based Policymaking
Mar 25, 2024

This week, the GovNavigators are graced by evidence-based policymaking royalty! The Founder and President of the Coalition for Evidence-Based Policy Jon Baron joins to talk about how far evidence-based policymaking has come and what remains to be done. 

Show Notes
Congress Avoids a Shutdown...Yet Again
DHS Releases AI Roadmap
Overreported Maternal Death Rate
Email Mistake on Inflation Data Roils Markets

Duration: 00:28:08
The Smartest Man in Government
Mar 18, 2024

The GovNavigators are joined this week by the smartest man in government - the Comptroller of the United States Gene Dodaro. Robert and Adam reflect on Gene's 50 (!) years of service at the Government Accountability Office, the changes he's seen in the government over that time, and the areas he's particularly proud of in his almost 15 years leading the government's watchdog organization. And you'll probably learn a few things about him you might not know.

Show Notes
Inside the Blunders That Plunged the College Admission Season Into Disarray
HHS opens probe into UnitedHealth’s cy...

Duration: 00:29:43
Deep Dive on Federal Executive Boards with Drew Friedman
Mar 11, 2024

Drew Friedman from Federal News Network checks in on the GovNavigators and talks about everything you'd want to know about Federal Executive Boards. Drew spent upwards of a year talking to FEB leaders around the country about its role, operations, and what's ahead for FEBs. She also has likely gathered plenty of feedback to report back to our overlord, Federal News Network Executive Editor Jason Miller. 

Show Notes
FNN Special Report: The 85 Percent: FEBs Burst the DC Bubble
Government Shutdown Averted as Senate Passes $459 Billion Funding Bill
Let AI Remake the Whole U...

Duration: 00:28:48
It's Monday: Everybody Works on Mondays with Sara Thomas and Holly Sydnor
Mar 04, 2024

Sara Thomas and Holly Sydnor, #FOGN and Founders of All Women Leadership join the GovNavigators to talk about starting their #WOSB, favorite movie quotes, and innovative acquisition strategies they have employed to help improve outcomes for agencies.

Show Notes
Congress Avoids Shutdown
Marine Corps Becomes First Military Branch to Receive Clean Audit
NIST Releases Version 2.0 of Landmark Cybersecurity Framework

Upcoming Events
President Biden Delivers State of the Union Address (3/7)
ACT-IAC Innovation Awards Nominations Close (3/8)

Duration: 00:28:09
Some (Much!) Needed Budget Process Reform Ideas with Steve Redburn
Feb 26, 2024

On the cusp of yet another potential government shutdown during one of the most disruptive budgeting years ever, the GovNavigators pull in the big guns to explore some much needed reforms to the federal budget process.

Former OMB Senior Executive and current Professorial Lecturer at the Trachtenberg School of Public Policy and Public Administration at GWU Steve Redburn joins the GovNavigators Show to talk about a new report from the IBM Center for the Business of Government he authored capturing recommendations to reforming the federal budgeting process.

For the budget wonks in the audience, you've...

Duration: 00:25:21
Back By Popular Demand!
Feb 19, 2024

The GovNavigators are bringing back the highest rated episode in GovNavigators history for an encore performance this week. If you didn't listen to #BFOGN Traci DiMartini, Chief Human Capital Officer at the IRS the first time around - you don't want to miss this.

And Robert and Adam recorded an updated news segment too - the excitement of the release of the long-awaited federal programs inventory just had to be talked about.

Show Notes
Federal Program Inventory
GAO: FY 2023 and FY 2022 Consolidated Financial Statements of the U.S. Government
FedScoop...

Duration: 00:29:49
In the Weeds of Government Performance Management with Steve Brockelman
Feb 12, 2024

The GovNavigators check in with Deputy Performance Improvement Officer Steve Brockelman at the General Services Administration to talk about performance management and organizational health in government. From swapping stories about Adam Hughes's performance reviews to making up acronyms for OMB Memos to the nitty gritty of performance management, this episode has it all!

Show Notes
Opportunities for Management when Budgeting, by Steve Redburn of George Washington University (and former OMB executive).
CBO Says Deficit to Grow Slower Under McCarthy-Biden Agreement (Washington Post coverage)
CBO Budget and Economic Outlook
IRS: Fund Us...

Duration: 00:28:21
Transforming Local Government with Amy Edwards Holmes
Feb 05, 2024

Amy Edwards Holmes, Executive Director of the Bloomberg Center on Government Excellence (GovEx) and Friend of GovNavigators (#FOGN) joins the show to talk about working with mayors and local government leaders to build a data-driven public sector that fairly and justly uses data, research, and analytics.

Duration: 00:29:58
25 Years of the IBM Center for the Business of Government
Jan 29, 2024

We're back with another #FOGN this week as Dan Chenok, Executive Director of the IBM Center for the Business of Government joins to talk about the Center's 25th anniversary and the decades of outstanding work it has undertaken in order to improve government management.

Show Notes
IBM Center for the Business of Government
AFCEA Bethesda Health IT Summit 2024 (January 30-31)
ACT-IAC Acquisition Forum (January 31)
HSGAC Business Meeting (January 31)
Results for America: Celebrating 5 Years of the Evidence Act (January 31)

Duration: 00:28:15
Is it a Wonderful Life?
Jan 22, 2024

Another Friend of GovNavigators (#FOGN) Kris Rowley, the Chief Data Officer of the Conference of State Bank Supervisors joins the GovNavigators Show to ruminate on popular depictions of oversight of the banking community, the importance of data and data management and whether AI will rise up and destroy humanity. You don't want to miss this one.

Show Links
It's a Wonderful Life: Better in Color or Black and White?
Conference of State Bank Supervisors

Upcoming Events
Coleridge Initiative’s Data for Evidence-building Webinar
AFCEA DC's Monthly Luncheon: DI...

Duration: 00:27:53